The Dark arts - C&D Master Thread

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T95 - 500 BC

Cliff's Notes: The Spanish grew 1 pop, up to 20. Apolyton received 5 land score, grew 2 pop, up to 35, and researched a classical tech. The Germans researched Sailing and settled the city of Wesselburen, up to 23 pop. CivPlayers grew 1 pop, up to 29, and received 5 land score. CFC grew 2 pop, up to 34, researched Monarchy and revolted to HR.

Demos:

Score table:

Team	Score change	Pop	Tech	Land
RB	5	5 (+2; 41 total)
Spanish	2	2 (+1; 20 total)
Apolyton	21	4 (+2; 35 total)	12 (classical)	5
Germans	6		6 (Sailing)
CivPlayers	8	3 (+1; 29 total)		5
CFC	17	5 (+2; 34 total)	12 (Monarchy)

No major changes to GNP. Rival power increased with 2000 (best), 1000 (worst), and 21000 overall. The claimed land increased with 42 tiles, which includes the new German city, and the rival best from 129 to 130 tiles. Our export surplus shrank from 20 to 8, and rival worst is now -10 instead of -24. I have 14 land tiles to account for from T75.

F8 analysis shows 7 new pop points, including the new German city, so 6 pop growths in total (we were beaten by the Germans of all teams in logging in )

Two points for the Spanish is likely a pop increase, would bring them to 20 pop and another 1000 in power as the rival worst.

Apolyton received a monster score increase of 21 points. We know they held 83 land tiles on T85 (on T76 they claimed 7 land tiles and became the rival best with 90 tiles), worth an additional 5 points this turn. That leaves 12 points, a classical tech.

The Germans received 6 score, and the changes to the trade demos implies they have trade routes with us now for seven cities. Thus I'm fairly sure they have researched Sailing, which also fits with the rival best power increase. However, I had expected them to receive land score this turn as well from APTmod analysis of culture data. They should come in T96 instead.

CFC revolted to Hereditary Rule this turn, and thus solves that research problem easily: they researched Monarchy. From their city tiles we can see that they grew Daivagasi to size 5 and Lana to size 6. They have 34 pop total now.

That leaves 8 score for CivPlayers. They grew 1 pop point (3 score) and claimed 7 land tiles on T75 (5 score).

Global power increased with 21000, of which pop accounted for 3000 (to the Spanish, Apolyton, and CFC). APTmod shows a power increase of 7000 to CFC, an axe. That leaves 12000 for tech and other units, which makes me doubt Apolyton has researched Iron Working, and also fits poorly with a tech of 4000 power (it would mean two chariot/spear builds, which I deem less likely than two axes).

If rival best in trade increases to 14 next turn, I think we can confirm Currency for Apolyton, but for now I note them down for Calendar. Lets hope they don't have marble, though we will have OR to help us with the MoM.

Other developments

Worms has expanded to third-ring borders, which means Wittenberge expanded borders last turn. The Germans has thus claimed a fair bit of land the last two turns. F8 shows CFC as the rival in land domination, not CivPlayers. Thus CFC must control at least 116 land tiles now.

A Great Scientist was born in foreign lands. Might be Apolyton (most likely) or some other team.

The Germans

The Germans settled their seventh city, Wesselburen, and claimed an unknown number of land tiles with it. They are up to eight connected resources now (copper, horses, gold, corn, cow, pig, rice, and sheep).

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Before I do the T96 C&D (made even more complex by CivPlayers) here are the late T95 demos, just before CivPlayers ended their turn:

Of note is that we got company in the GNP 200-club now. Given the difference between the rival best GNP earlier in the turn (133) and now (202) and assuming a double-discounted tech, that gives a raw beaker output of around 170. The possible techs are:

Code of Laws (Currency and Priesthood)
Currency (Mathematics and Alphabet)
Monarchy (Monotheism and Priesthood)
Priesthood (Meditatation and Polytheism)

Of these, I judge Code of Laws as the most likely, with Apolyton and CivFr as candidates.

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T96 - 475 BC

Cliff's Notes: WPC researched Mathematics in 20t. The Spanish gained oodles of land points and might have grown a little. Apolyton grows. The Germans claimed very little land points. CivFr grows. CivPlayers whips, grows, and whips some more. CFC grows. Univers grows a lot, and researched an ancient tech in 2t, and may have gained a few land points.

Demos:

Score table:

Team	Score change	Pop	Tech	Land
RB	18	7 (+3; 44 total)	6 (Monotheism)	5 (Tree Huggers 2-ring)
WPC	12		12 (Mathematics)
Spanish	12			12 (Bulawayo 9 tiles; 2-ring; 53 -> 69/70 tiles
Apolyton	10	5 (+2; 37 total)		5 (E city)
Germans	2			2 (Wien 2-ring; 80 -> 82/83 tiles)
CivFr	5	5 (+2; 39 total)
CivPlayers	3	3 (+1; 29 total)
CFC	7	7 (+3; 37 total)
Univers	15	9 (+4; 42 total)	6 (ancient)

All teams had score increases this turn Expect this to happen more often in turns to come.

F8 analysis shows 11 new pop points, but that includes 1 whipped pop from CivPlayers, so 12 total growths. Large increases in total GNP and food output, the latter which matches the population growth. Global power rose with 20000, and claimed land with 2000.

Score changes

Lets start with the easy ones: CFC. They grew 3 new pop, in Indira (to 10), Mantra (to 4), and Lakshmi (to 3). They have 37 pop total. Rival best in population rose with 32000, so CivFr grew one city to 3 and one to 2, and have 39 total pop. They didn't receive land points for the second ring of their E city settled T71, since they revolted to HR on T74, delaying the border pop to T77.

CivPlayers whipped late in T95, to 28 pop, then grew back to 29 pop and whipped back to 28 total pop. They must have a pop increase in between, since a whip to 27 total pop would give a score decrease of only 2. Top cities shows that Tenochtitlan is now size 8.

The Germans didn't grow pop, since a new pop point would give them 3 score, and the rival worst in population didn't change. Thus they must have received land points. They claimed 5 or 6 tiles on T76, from Wien expanding to second ring. They must have pushed the terrace hard there.

APTmod data shows a power increase of 6000 for WPC, and only a minor drop in GNP. Thus, I think they have researched Mathematics, which also fits with their disclosed plan of going for catapults. Note that it took them 20t to research the tech, implying a sustained beaker production of less then 25 per turn.

I note down 2 pop growths and 37 total pop for Apolyton.

The Spanish and Univers pose a problem. I first thought the Spanish has gained 2 pop for 5 score, but that would give them 1000 in power too, and the rival worst didn't change. Thus they can't have grown more than 1 pop. I tentatively assign all the remaining 7 land tiles from a border pop to them, and all the remaining four pops to Univers, but I can't rule out that the Spanish grew 1 pop and claimed less land, while Univers gained 3 pop and also had a border expansion.

In either case, Univers researched an ancient tech in 2t, noted down as a very tentative Masonry.

Power

Rival total power rose with 20000. CFC had a power increase of 2000 from APTmod data, but their pop growth accounts for only 1000. Not sure what the remaining 1000 from them can depend on - will have to check their graphs next turn. Might be an APTmod rounding error, though I haven't encountered any such earlier. They settled a city while I was writing the report, so they had 1000 as the turn rolled, and another 1000 in the turn.

Apolyton and CivFr gained 1000 in power from pop, and at a guess Univers gained 2000 from pop. As noted above, WPC researched Mathematics, leaving 10000 9000 in power increases between Apolyton, CivFr, CivPlayers, and Univers.

CFC's new city

CFC settled the city of Delhi 4SE of Eastern Gem Dealers, and it claimed 6 land tiles, implying that Daivagati has expanded to its second ring. They are up to 38 pop and 91000 in power, 1000 from turn roll and 1000 with the new city.

Univers whip

Univers performed a 3-pop whip that lessened the rival global power with 2000, for a net -1000 with CFC's new pop power. This confirms that they had 4 pop growths (38 to 42, then whip to 39; the alternative of 38 to 41 and whip to 38 would only lose 1000 in power).

ETA: The whip was of a size 6 city.

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Demos after the new city and whips:

Map showing where CFC's newest city is located. It's still named Delhi.

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CivFr settled their eight city this turn, claiming 8 land tiles for 130 total. They are rival co-leader in land right now, together with an unknown team.

This brings them to 40 pop total, for another 1000 in power.

Some of the demos changes are interesting. The rival worst in approval and life expectancy rose with this, implying they have less vertical growth potential to take advantage of compared to us. But most interesting is that we dropped from #2 to #3 in trade. At a guess CivFr now has managed to establish their own international trade routes now. With eight cities, this is going to give them a major boost, as indicated by that the rival average in GNP rose with the new city.

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Yikes. More reasons not to get wrapped up in a premature military struggle. CivFr is in good shape to take advantage if we do.

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WPC's war weariness is up to 18 (was 16 at turn start). However, I haven't been able to see any evidence of power losses from the demos or the APTmod data. Worker capture?

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chariot retreat?

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Hmmm.. did the person that logged in after the turn roll (to t97) grab demos?

I logged in to grab them after Holy Rome whipped a citizen:

won't have time to do the full c&d any time soon, but can later tonight.

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T97 - 450 BC

Cliff's Notes: WPC grew to 21 pop and built a spear. Apolyton grew to 38 pop. The Germans grew to 25 pop (+2). CivFr grew to 41 pop. CivPlayers grew to 29 pop, and have built an academy in Tenochtitlan. CFC grew to 40 pop (+2), and built a chariot (or spear) and an axe. Univers grew to 40 pop.

Demos:

Score table

Team	Score change	Pop	Tech	Land
RB	10	10 (+4; 47 total)
WPC	2	2 (+1; 21 total)
Apolyton	3	3 (+1; 38 total)
Germans	5	5 (+2; 25 total)
CivFr	6	2 (+1; 41 total)		4 (City E 2-ring; 6 tiles; 80 total)
CivPlayers	9	3 (+1; 29 total)		6 (Tlaxcala; 8 tiles; 88 total)
CFC	5	5 (+2; 40 total)
Univers	6	3 (+1; 40 total)		3 (City G; 5 tiles; 77 total)

Score analysis

F8 analysis gives 10 more global pop points from other teams and barbarians.

CFC grew Lana (their answer to Gourmet Menu) to size 7, and Raj to size 3, as per the map. They have 40 total pop now. CivFr grew their second city to size 10, as per the top cities screen, and they also received land points for the second-ring borders of their city E. Something might be off with the claimed land now, though.

The Germans grew Worms to size 4 as per map info, and they probably also grew a size 2 city to size 3, for 25 total pop, but remained rival worst in population.

CivPlayers and Univers received land score for their T77 cities, that claimed 8 respective 5 tiles. That leaves pop growths for WPC, Apolyton, CivPlayers, and Univers. Note that a barb city grew or appeared.

Power

Rival best in power rose with 1000, from pop. The rival total rose with 24000, of which 1000 was from pop to Apolyton, the Germans, CFC, and Univers, leaving 20000. APTmod data shows a power increase of 4000 for WPC, (138 to 142), pencilled in as a spearman; and 11000 for CFC (91 to 102), noted down as a chariot and an axe, together with the pop.

That leaves 6000 for the rest of the teams, likely an axe.

Other

Culture production in Tenochtitlan has increased with +4 (progression per F8: 395 - 410 - X - 440 - 459), so I think they have built an academy in their capital. At a guess, they had the Great Scientist on T95 in another city, moved, and built the academy T96.

A great scientist was born in far away land as the turn rolled, the fourth of this game.