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Lewwyn · January 16th, 2013, 23:19

I forgot that Leeroy is famous for epicly failing. It's all fun and games until it's not.

The chat is spoiler below.

Lewwyn · January 16th, 2013, 23:27

We continued to talk after that chat and attacked with two chariots in an attempt to get a GG. We killed one spear and one C1 chariot of Azza's and got the GG in Illiad. We're now offering peace for Beowulf. Let's see what Azza does.

Bigger should be along with pics and a better report.

Lewwyn · January 17th, 2013, 00:10

Looks like Azza accepted peace...

WE LIVE AGAIN!

Bigger · January 17th, 2013, 00:14

yeah.. pitboss instead of pbem worked in our favor here. i think if azza got a look at the event log and saw how many units we lost he wouldnt have accepted peace w/o the aeneid. i was willing to give him aenaeid if we had too. anyway sucks losing beowulf but coulda been much worse. ill have pictures in a bit need to chill out a bit first smile

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Bigger · January 17th, 2013, 00:28

something relevant to opponents C&D:
Azza logged in and accepted our peace deal almost immediately after the turn rolled. since I was last tto play, I was still logged in (taking pictures).
so any third party looking at civ stats probably will not be able to figure out we lost a city, it might just look like a whip at the same tiem azza settled a city.

waterbat · January 17th, 2013, 02:35

i looked at civstats and thought "wow, no one is going to mistake that for a lost city" , but i didnt realize you were still logged in. the login part gets lost in the noise, but the increase and decrease at the same time stands out - if that makes sense.

Bigger

well serdoa will figure it out easily if he's paying any attention to our cities - since we lost beowulf and azza gained A7X on the same turn.
Brick probably will too, even though he hasn't made contact with azza yet.

but any civ that has contact with azza and not us might not. or the ones that don't know either of us.

btw, on that note, serdoa settled his 5th city recently. so i guess us, azza, and serdoa have the same amount of cities, for now.

odysseus is going back south, hopefully serdoa's culture hasn't cut it off and we can get past him.

Old Harry · January 17th, 2013, 04:31

Wow, what a time to be asleep!

Please never log in as Leeroy again!

Bigger

lol. lewwyn made me do that.

anyway we took 4 50/50 shots, basically. lost the first 2, won the last 2.

if we had one of the first 2 and gotten any hits in the chariot vs spear attack we might havfe gotten peace w/ losing beowulf. worth the risk even if the results were shitty.

Bigger · January 17th, 2013, 06:25

ok, picture dump for turn 87:

here is the event log for the big battle:

we attacked with a spear, 50% odds, and lost - defending spear reduced to 2.4 health
we attacked with unpromoted chariot hoping to injure, and lost - no damage to defending spear
we attacked with a spear, 50% odds, and lost - defending spear reduced to 2.4 health (same result)
we attacked with the C1 chariot. for some reason it attacked a spear at 59% odds instead of the 50/50 with a chariot. it won smile

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we attacked with C1 shock chariot at 50% odds (5% retreat) vs a C1 chariot. we won.

at this point our only option was to attack with the last unpromoted chariot, which would get 39% odds vs the last spear, or promote the archer to C1 and attack at 32% odds. we stopped the battle and offered azza beowulf for peace. defeeated temporarily, but we'll get our revenge smile

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here you can see what remained of azza's army and why we were forced to offer the peace deal:

our forces consisted of two injured chariots, 1 full health chariot, the injured axe, CG2 archer, and a warrior. azza also has the C1 shock axe and an unpromoted horse archer on the hill to the NW of beowulf. Beowulf might still have held thanks to the heroic CG2 archer, but azza could have razed the aeneid and/or post a serious threat to theodyssey. teh aeneid isn't too important, but the odyssey is very important. since we have iron coming online in another spot we had to cut our losses.

here's the situation after peace was accepted:

he renamed beowulf to A7X cry

. note that he's working the iron tile (nothing really else to work, I guess). I'm not certain, but I think a city exchanging hands like this will bounce to the full 9 squares first turn, and we might retake any or all of the 3 tiles north of beowulf next turn. we currently have 0% to his 100% culture, even though azza has 0 culture in beowulf, so that makes sense. I'll guess we'll see when the turn rolls.

Anyway, both cities close to beowulf have a monument and a religion, while azza has no culture at all in beowulf. his first build surely will be a monument, and since we know how many hammers he's producing (2 per turn at the moment, 5 per turn once he gets the iron re-mined) we can tell when he produces the monument - and he'll get the border pop 5 turns later.
if he builds the granary first, even better.

it sucks having to give up a city, but this result is better than him razing it. this is the best spot for the city, much better for us here than in the spot 1s of here he would likely replant (where birds of tokyo was). our culture will keep pushing on it, and if we reclaim the plains spot 1N of the city we can attack with axes in 1 turn from the hill SW of the odyssey. we also have vision on the city, all 3 first ring tiles south of the city (!) and even the desert hill S, SW of the city - so we will not be surprised this time if azza attempts to assault us again after the peace treaty expires.

here's gilgamesh:

with 20/100 hammers in we aren't able to whip the settler. so next turn I guess.

here's the path for Math city:

both roads were finished this turn. chryseis is chopping the forest for.. something, maybe another settler, or maybe she'll stop to road the forest then finish it to complete an axe. or we can put a turn+chop into settler, stop to regrow from whip, then finish the settler.
Penelope (in the south) is out there in the wilds as she was forced to take the long way around the lake to avoid being captured by azza. she'll go to where the archer is next turn to road that tile. if we do retake the plains tile, we should have 1 worker return to road it. and maybe cottage one of the tiles the odyssey and the aeneid share - the aeneid in particular is going to be short of imporved tiles to work past size 2-3.

ok, here is a puzzle for Harry & waterbat. here are the demos soon after the turn rolled, when after azza accepted peace (so after we lost beowulf)

ok, we took a hit for losing gold production and the extra trade route, but its not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. thats us at 100%, our gnp is 54 at 0%.

anyway, as I log in to do the report, some 4 hours later, here are the demos:

rival best GNP rose from 69 to 88! this was during the same turn, mind you, not after a turn roll.

who played during that period?
-plako, who whipped
-pindicator logged in several times but didn't end turn (seems very unlikely its them, though)
-merohoc
-serdoa
-cfcjester

pindicator and merhoc are probably too low on the scoreboard to produce that kind of GNP. commodore and serdoa both had score increases as the turn rolled and likely finished a tech (commodore had a large increase to jump to #1 spot). so its probably one of them, unless CFC Jester just changed techs mid stream.

88 GNP at this point is a tad scary frown

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