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So according to #926 and #928, Bigger killed Q, and the mindworms love us. 
I don't know why the mindworms would claim otherwise. In fact this just makes me suspect that there are no mindworms, at least not in the sense of "players possessed by mindworms". This is kind of like the "Gray Wolves" message in WW12. I bet the whole point of it is to promote the idea of additional factions, which generally makes it easier for scum to spread suspicion.
This also adds yet another communication ability to the mix.
Speaking of abilities, let's recap. We know now that we had a tracker, in addition to a vig and a kind of roleblocker. So do we, on top of that, also have a seer, a name seer, and three commuters? Quite the arsenal of powers, if so. If all of those claims are true, a double NAP kill isn't an unreasonable counterbalance. Until we see a NAP getting night-killed, it may be premature to conclude with a serial killer.
If you know what I mean.
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Well I acknowledge my argument against Lewwyn isn't strong right now, that probably has something to do with not having made it yet.
Few quick things out of the way.
The late vote for Lewwyn was due to me wanting to get a vote in to not tempt a modkill, and knowing I would be making this post today.
Mayor, I agree with others and say lets give it to the aledged seer Serdoa
Right now on to my theory:
Three things I don't think are up to debate - We got the roles early this game, this allows more time for wolves to discuss before game starts. Hence I would say higher chance of gambits this game
- In the EITB game, with the elf fued, it was decided even after all where sure that Selrahc wasn't pro town to just leave him alone.
- Mass confusion helps the Nappies
So onto theory here
Lewwyn has declared some sort of fued role and at the moment states its pro town, however he hasn't really been helping much right now on hunting (I admit he often isnt first 2 days).
His claim allows him at some point to the future to 'own up' and declare its neutral as was the elf thing, and doesnt harm the villagers, hence would probably be left alone, now isnt that good cover for a wolf?
Additionally he generates a lot of chatter and noise about 3rd parties, and aliens which focusses people away from the Nappies
The messages in the night I think could well be from 1 Nappy again spreading confusion and chaos
With regards the name Lewwyn is hunting for I would suggest it could well be another wolf. Hence he knows its a safe name to say he is huning, and if it turns out we lynch them, then hey look his info was right.
That as an aside is the reason I am only 95% on Serdoa being the seer. Novice has tricked me before, and I woud put it past him and the other wolves to make aballsy sacrifice like that to gain another wolf deep cover.
Finally correct me please if youare the name seer however from the rules
Quote:- Role playing is possible for those that choose too - none of the names will give clues to the scumminess of the player, so revealing your name shouldn't help or hurt you stay alive. Having a general knowledge of Alpha Centauri won't really help you catch wolves or fool the village, although it might help you enjoy the game more
Emphasis mine, but if your name makes no difference to helping or hurting you stay alive, then why have a name seer?
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zakalwe Wrote:So according to #926 and #928, Bigger killed Q, and the mindworms love us. I don't get it. He talks of Bigger but also that NAP killed him. "Excerpt from Memoirs of The Dark Times by Judaa Marr" ?
zakalwe Wrote:I don't know why the mindworms would claim otherwise. In fact this just makes me suspect that there are no mindworms, at least not in the sense of "players possessed by mindworms". This is kind of like the "Gray Wolves" message in WW12. I bet the whole point of it is to promote the idea of additional factions, which generally makes it easier for scum to spread suspicion. You mean you think NAP sent the message and Bigger published it? It doesn't seem like it to me.
"Something, or someone, was attempting to communicate with everyone in the room telepathically. This is the message that they all heard:"
To me it seems like Bigger telling a story, and the fact is that our characters really heard the message.
(I'm assuming the message is: mindworms & villagers are on the same side). Which is quite conflicting with my anti-mindworm ability...
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Jkaen Wrote:Well I acknowledge my argument against Lewwyn isn't strong right now, that probably has something to do with not having made it yet. 
I actually think your theory would make a lot of sense if we knew for sure there was no name seer. So it kind of hinges on that, in my opinion. Do you think Waterbat is lying, or do you think he's been duped?
If you know what I mean.
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Meiz Wrote:I don't get it. He talks of Bigger but also that NAP killed him. "Excerpt from Memoirs of The Dark Times by Judaa Marr" ? I read his story as Bigger being the suspect nobody had considered, and turning out to be NAP. Either way, it's just roleplay, I presume.
Meiz Wrote:You mean you think NAP sent the message and Bigger published it? Yes, like the "AI hack" ability in WW8. (Which Bigger said he was rereading right before this game started, IIRC.)
If you know what I mean.
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I would probabl veer towards duped but both are possible, I just cant understand the point of the role
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Meiz Wrote:I don't get it. He talks of Bigger but also that NAP killed him. "Excerpt from Memoirs of The Dark Times by Judaa Marr" ?
I think I should point out that Qgqqqqq's "death post" was just his own flavor writing, and means absolutely nothing. Otherwise he would be violating rule #6.
(which he wasn't).
Please don't go. The drones need you. They look up to you.
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1. As for #926 and #928:
- #926 is maybe just the last death message from Qgqqqqq? I would suppose it as he has not posted anything else (like "Good luck villager") as a death-message. So that might just be some kind of role-play by him, without any actual contribution to the game (if so, please never do that again without adding a clear indication that it is only roleplay, as it is fucking confusing).
- #928 indicates for me that either Bigger is just driving the story along or that there is a role which can send messages via the GM. Lets assume the latter for now. In that case, what does the picture mean? Someone wrote it could mean that the mindworms "love" us, so are on our side. Though I am not sure about that, because if we look at the picture we see that the human has something on his left eye - that reminds me on how Zakharov is pictured (and Lumminen or some such in the Planetfall-Mod I think too, Maniac should be able to tell more or I can when I get home tonight). So maybe that picture just indicates one human they have some connection with. Zakharov was catwalk if I am not wrong who had the ability to night-kill once after the UN-charter is repealed.
Ok, putting that all together, maybe the mindworms took this night-kill ability from Zakharov in N1 before he was killed. And used it now this night, to kill Qgqqqqq.
Or maybe not and that is all complete nonsense. I mean did I already state how much I hate that metagaming-stuff? I'll do it, but I'll hate it nonetheless.
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To matters I at least understand: My probe teams were blocked again this night. As much as I understand the discussion around Lewwyn, if we don't expect him to be the wolf-roleblocker (and as far as I gathered we mostly do not) I'd rather try to lynch someone we believe to be a wolf as someone we believe to be an alien. I'll get to this tonight when I am home in more detail, as I should be working right now.
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Serdoa Wrote:To matters I at least understand: My probe teams were blocked again this night. As much as I understand the discussion around Lewwyn, if we don't expect him to be the wolf-roleblocker (and as far as I gathered we mostly do not) I'd rather try to lynch someone we believe to be a wolf as someone we believe to be an alien. I'll get to this tonight when I am home in more detail, as I should be working right now.
Well as posted I believe there is a good chance there is no alien team, and that he is a Nappy (wolf).
Also blocked twice, while it may well be true it does open up more the option that Novice was a sacrifice (still think its more likely you are just a blocked seer though)
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Waterbat,
Just to confirm I have this right.
You chatted to somebody for 1 day who claimed to be a name seer. That person is still currently alive. you talked to him/her during day 2
Is this correct?
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