February 17th, 2011, 15:33
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Whew! (Big *sigh* of relief.)
We made the right choice, even if there was that small bit of doubt in our minds. Now to reread posts in light of this information and start evaluating new suspects.
I will second Cyneheard in wishing the Seer a profitable scry, and remaining secret. As for MJW...I am still not completely happy with his various actions, so I am not all that trusting of him. But I suppose it does not really matter for now. The wolves would be crazy to try to kill him this first night.
Can someone explain how scrying works for noobs like myself? I saw a couple mentions that the Seer only gets a "villager/not villager" result -- is this true? What about the Devil? I assume the Devil gets an actual role, since he already knows who is on the evil side. Also, when does the Devil get a result -- before the wolves decide their target or after? Seems like that would make a big difference.
February 17th, 2011, 15:37
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Well, my bad. I'll take it though, good job everyone. 
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
February 17th, 2011, 15:39
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Meiz Wrote:Mr. Nice Guy easily takes a 50/50 change on this very serious issue, even when there are very good reasons for delaying this decision. He then goes to shopping and will be unavailable to change his vote before the deadline. Nice excuse, isn't it?
I think I made myself pretty clear about why I didn't want to move my vote. And yeah, I do have a life outside the forum. Actually, it's pretty exciting - we're expecting a second child at the end of April, and our shopping trip was to get our baby registry set up.
It's been convenient that these last couple days have been my days off. In future days, I'll be much more quiet but will try to post as coherently as I can - I do work 50 hour work weeks after all with an hour commute each day.
Now to continue with the celebrations!
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
February 17th, 2011, 15:41
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Well that's a relief if not a surprise. I was pretty sure I was playing the odds but it always makes you nervous. Good work everyone, or 10 of us anyway  A great start it has to be said, but plenty more to do.
February 17th, 2011, 15:45
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fire&ice' Wrote:Lynch Vote:
Sandover (10 votes): Kyan, Gaspar, Lewwyn, Cyneheard, Luddite, Mr. Nice Guy, MJW, Irgy, haphazard, Selrahc
Sareln (7 votes): Meiz, Dantski, scooter, Serdoa, Sareln, Sandover
MJW (3 votes): Ug the barbarian, Gaspar, Roland
Ug the Barbarian (1 vote): Mr. Nice Guy
Dantski (1 vote): Kyan
Lewwyn (1 vote): Rowain
Um, it doesn't take a math degree to add those numbers up and get 23. It then takes a lot longer though to identify Mr. Nice Guy, Kyan and Gaspar as the 3 doubled-up votes and uberfish as missing.
I feel like a bit of a prick saying the following, but: It's kind of important to get this right.
February 17th, 2011, 16:01
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yes, that is important im glad you pointed it out. Im smacking myself for that.
votes fixed.
February 17th, 2011, 16:03
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Well, wow. I guess i missed an exciting finale!
I had a charity football match- NatWest vs Lombard Direct (suffice to say for those who have chatted to me outside of this game, i wasn't in goal  ). I sincerely apologise for missing the most crucial part, this should not happen again.
I decided to 'play this proper' and read through the thread in order. Sandover's post screamed desperate wolf to me -BUT- i doubt i'd have taken the chances and would likely have changed my vote. Lucky i didn't eh hehe.
This kind of brings me to my next point, as we re-digest all this information. I believe MJW to be a baner and Sandover was obviously a wolf. So, do we look at people who avoided Sandover's claim altogether? *If* i were a wolf, which i'm not, i would have probably seen that the hammer was falling on Sandover and jumped on board as a tool to later avoid suspicion. Using Roland as an excuse would be very believable (hell, it definitely worked on me.)
The key thing in my eyes though, is what happens after Sandover's bold claim. Do the werewolves sniff (  ) some kind of a dramatic twist? Perhaps they could SAVE a werewolf and kill a baner instead. That would be the best turn around possible. There were certainly those who changed their vote in this manner and i would suggest their posts are scrutinised carefully. I'll certainly be doing so. However, the MJW bandwagon never really got rolling so maybe they went for the next best thing- Sareln.
The late Sareln surge was definitely interested and i'd bet cash that at least one werewolf made this swap. As a side note, Sareln, you went a long way to proving yourself innocent in my eyes today. Being willing to take one for the team is certainly commendable and i can't see a potential werewolf gain. If Sareln *was* a werewolf and got lynched, then the wolves gain nothing and lose an, up to know, not particularly suspected villager.
February 17th, 2011, 16:25
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Kyan Wrote:This kind of brings me to my next point, as we re-digest all this information. I believe MJW to be a baner and Sandover was obviously a wolf. So, do we look at people who avoided Sandover's claim altogether? *If* i were a wolf, which i'm not, i would have probably seen that the hammer was falling on Sandover and jumped on board as a tool to later avoid suspicion. Using Roland as an excuse would be very believable (hell, it definitely worked on me.)
The key thing in my eyes though, is what happens after Sandover's bold claim. Do the werewolves sniff () some kind of a dramatic twist? Perhaps they could SAVE a werewolf and kill a baner instead. That would be the best turn around possible. There were certainly those who changed their vote in this manner and i would suggest their posts are scrutinised carefully. I'll certainly be doing so. However, the MJW bandwagon never really got rolling so maybe they went for the next best thing- Sareln.
The late Sareln surge was definitely interested and i'd bet cash that at least one werewolf made this swap. As a side note, Sareln, you went a long way to proving yourself innocent in my eyes today. Being willing to take one for the team is certainly commendable and i can't see a potential werewolf gain. If Sareln *was* a werewolf and got lynched, then the wolves gain nothing and lose an, up to know, not particularly suspected villager.
Interesting idea - I'm thinking of taking this further though. There was a lot of discussion about '2 Baners - we shouldn't vote for either one as we might loose our Baner'. I can fully understand the sentiment - however a known baner (MJW) is likely to be a LOT less useful as he has to spend most of the time protecting himself. I'm sure wolves would have been very happy with the 'don't vote' approach as well - it saves a wolf and if Sareln had been hung, gains them a kill. So I'll be watching those who argued that very carefully (Scooter - you stand out for this particularly even if innocent)
February 17th, 2011, 17:24
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haphazard1 Wrote:Also, when does the Devil get a result -- before the wolves decide their target or after? Seems like that would make a big difference.
after unless the wolves make the choice not to eat somone that night
February 17th, 2011, 17:27
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Ug the Barbarian Wrote:I can fully understand the sentiment - however a known baner (MJW) is likely to be a LOT less useful as he has to spend most of the time protecting himself. I'm sure wolves would have been very happy with the 'don't vote' approach as well - it saves a wolf and if Sareln had been hung, gains them a kill. So I'll be watching those who argued that very carefully (Scooter - you stand out for this particularly even if innocent)
Sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I've explained this a few times, but I'll explain it again. For the first 2/3rds of the game, the baner is close to useless, as his chances of protecting someone is slim to none. The baner really matters in the late game - when we are down to less than 10 players... At that point, the seer and/or masons are likely to be publicly known, at which point it doesn't matter that much that MJW is known, because at that point, it's a guessing game for the wolves. Will MJW stick with himself, or will he protect the seer? All that matters is that MJW survives til the late game, and at that point he would definitely be useful.
Look, it worked out fantastic for us and I'm happy about that, but yes, an "outed" baner is still very very useful. Did you follow WW1? It was pretty well known in the last 2ish days that zakalwe was the baner, but he was still very useful and even scored a protection later on. Actually, in WW1 he spent almost the entire game protecting himself anyways, so what's the difference? Ask him - I'm pretty sure there was only once the entire game where he protected someone other than himself.
I say all that to say this - no, it's not suspicious that I would be worried about losing the baner. If you want to suspect me for some other reason, be my guest and we can discuss that as well. Thankfully the masses guessed right and we're in good shape, but being cautious is perfectly logical because the baner does matter quite a bit even if he foolishly gave himself away early on.
Hopefully that clears things up.
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