Realms Beyond Werewolf 2 : Game Thread

[scooter]

but I have noticed a concerted effort to clean them up and present his case not only more thoroughly, but more clearly - even if, half the time, he either grossly misinterprets what I'm saying or outright lies about it. :P

See the part I underlined. When has he done this?

[Roland]

See the part I underlined. When has he done this?

A bold accusation by me - and one I can't prove. Hence what I put before it, which is FAR more believable - by me and everyone else. I think he grossly misinterprets what I say, and twists it around to discredit me. I think YOU jump on the wagon to add weight to his accusations. But, again, I don't have the energy to dig up proof today.

Maybe sometime during the night phase I'll have time, but I doubt it. It probably won't be until the coming Day phase - at which point, the Gaspar debate will have been won or lost.

If there are others who feel Serdoa is twisting my words maybe they'll feel compelled to speak. Maybe there are those who feel the exact opposite. I don't know, and right now I simply don't care. I'm tired, and I need a break. The chips will far where they may, and at the end of the game we'll all get to see who was right and who was wrong.

[scooter]

A bold accusation by me - and one I can't prove.

So tell me, who's doing the outright lying here?

Guys, who do you believe? Meiz - the guy who didn't want to risk losing our baner (along with a half dozen other people including Sareln!), or Roland, the guy who voted to lynch our baner, outright lies about people outright lying (), and is currently pushing the anti-Meiz bandwagon?

The problem we're facing right now is I'm not so convinced Gaspar is guilty either. His post a little bit ago actually made a good bit of sense.

Edit:

I think YOU jump on the wagon to add weight to his accusations. But, again, I don't have the energy to dig up proof today.

I jump on the wagon? I know you have this complex that anyone who disagrees with you is also a werewolf who likes to eat people and kick puppies, but just because I think Serdoa is being dragged through the mud by you doesn't mean I'm "jumping on the wagon." It means I think you are full of it and are, at times, outright lying, of which I have proof.

[Serdoa]

Serdoa, at this point your entire posturing is a smear campaign against me. As much as I am sorely, deeply tempted to rise to the bait, I'm not about to. Your time will come, and I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so.

Kyan, you're free to post whatever I've sent you. As I recall, you blew me off - I don't think I ever heard back from you beyond that. Although, I think I took your response to mean "Don't waste your time, or mine." Thus I don't think I've sent any more to you since then.

I can't say I'm flattered that I'm #3 on your list of suspects! I can't say I'm entirely surprised, though. After the chaos that was yesterday, and the debacle that's forming today, I wouldn't be surprised to see my name on the lynch board tomorrow. So it goes.

I'm growing weary of this fighting - it's giving me a headache. I've laid the chips out, bared my all. It's for others to decide where they stand, as it always has been, as has always been my stance - despite some people's venomous accusations to the contrary.

Uh, ok, so I raise points about you - which I don't raise as a smear campaign but because I am fearing as a villager that you are either a very clever wolf or just another zakalwe - and your defense is "Don't feed the trolls"? (see the post title). Thank you...

And please, if I lie, show us with which parts. I might misinterpret something but I don't think I lied. I am sure that I read two stories from you about why you took your vote from Sandover - I think one was on day 1 after you changed your vote, the other obviously on day 2. I mean I guess at least that this is the part were you mean that I lie.

And Roland, opposed to your feelings for me, I do think you are a nice guy. Though I don't take it personally, you are not be the first one to tell me that he doesn't like me and also not the first one to tell me that after I started to argue back instead of simply taking whats coming.

[Serdoa]

Lynch Votes:
9 = Meiz: Lewwyn, Gaspar, Sunrise089, Roland, MJW, Kyan, Luddite, Ug the Barbarian, Sareln
7 = Gaspar: Dantski, Irgy, haphazard1, Mr. Nice Guy, Rowain, Selrahc, Meiz
1 = Sunrise089: Scooter
1 = Selrahc: uberfish

No Votes:
Serdoa

Summary of Changes:
MJW: Voted for Kyan, switched to Sunrise089, switched to Meiz
Ug the Barbarian: Voted for Meiz, switched to Sunrise089, switched to No Vote, switched to Meiz
Serdoa: Voted for Sunrise089, switched to Kyan, switched to No Vote
Kyan: Voted for Serdoa, switched to Meiz
Luddite: Voted for Sunrise089, switched to Meiz
Meiz: Voted for Sunrise089, switched to No Vote, switched to Gaspar
uberfish: Voted for Sunrise089, switched to Gaspar, switched to Selrahc


[noparse]
Sequence of Events:
1) Uberfish: Voted for Sunrise089
2) MJW: Voted for Kyan
3) Scooter: Voted for Sunrise089
4) Lewwyn: Voted for Meiz
5) Gaspar: Voted for Meiz
6) MJW: Switched to Sunrise089
7) Ug the Barbarian: Voted for Meiz
8) Ug the Barbarian: Switched to Sunrise089
9) Meiz: Voted for Sunrise089
10) Kyan: Voted for Serdoa
11) Serdoa: Voted for Sunrise089
12) Luddite: Voted for Sunrise089
13) Dantski: Voted for Gaspar
14) Sunrise089: Voted for Meiz
15) Serdoa: Switched to Kyan
16) Roland: Voted for Meiz
17) Serdoa: Switched to No Vote
18) Irgy: Voted for Gaspar
19) MJW: Switched to Meiz
20) haphazard1: Voted for Gaspar
21) Mr. Nice Guy: Voted for Gaspar
22) Rowain: Voted for Gaspar
23) Ug the Barbarian: Switched to No Vote
24) Kyan: Switched to Meiz
25) Luddite: Switched to Meiz
26) Meiz: Switched to No Vote
27) uberfish: Switched to Gaspar
28) Selrahc: Voted for Gaspar
29) Ug the Barbarian: Switched to Meiz
30) Sareln: Voted for Meiz
31) Meiz: Switched to Gaspar
32) uberfish: Switched to Selrahc
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edit: Please someone else checks as well if I got everything right.

[Serdoa]

And I will vote for Gaspar now. Meiz will be lynched anyway but I can't get me to vote for Meiz. Not only because the evidence is not really there but also because people tried to FORCE me to vote for him. Thats something I will never accept and if that gets me killed tomorrow, so be it.

[Roland]

Scooter:
I didn't claim he lied. I said either he grossly misinterprets what I say - which is exactly what I just said to you is the most likely - or he's lying. Plain and simple. If you want to jump on the bandwagon of misinformation and gross interpretation, be my guest. You're only painting a bigger bullseye on your back.

Serdoa:

And please, if I lie, show us with which parts. I might misinterpret something but I don't think I lied. I am sure that I read two stories from you about why you took your vote from Sandover - I think one was on day 1 after you changed your vote, the other obviously on day 2. I mean I guess at least that this is the part were you mean that I lie.

I don't think you're lying, either - and even if you were, it's a hard case to prove against simply misunderstanding. I just threw it out there as a possibility - albeit an unlikely one. And yes, that is part of it, but there's so much more I could spend an entire day quoting them all. I don't have the energy right now.

And Roland, opposed to your feelings for me, I do think you are a nice guy. Though I don't take it personally, you are not be the first one to tell me that he doesn't like me and also not the first one to tell me that after I started to argue back instead of simply taking whats coming.

I'm too close to letting this become personal. That's why I'm pulling back a bit for a little while. I don't want any bad blood at the end of this - on either side. You're frustrating the hell out of me at this point, but at the end I intend not to have any ill will towards you. I would hope the same in return. This is a game, and it's supposed to be fun - even if we take it far too seriously at times.

[Rowain]

Meiz is first on that list as he voted to save sandover and was opposed to scanning mjw.

Meiz (together with me) wanted MJW scanned thats what put him on Lewwyn's Bad-Guy-list.

I have read through Meiz's posts and contrary to some I can't find any wolf in it. It is my believe that Meiz is an innocent villager.

But I have been asked to not take part on the lynching of Gaspar and to trust someone.

Therefor I will (for now) change my vote to No vote. as I have currently no other suspect.

[Meiz]

I'll handle these two thing out of the way first.

If I find the time before the end of this Day cycle, I'll post an in-depth analysis of Meiz

I'd really like you to do that, please I actually find it sad that you have helped to gather these votes against me, but don't bother anymore to continue to discuss.

3) As such my first order suspicions immediately fall to those who voted in a way that would possibly save sandover. Meiz is first on that list as he voted to save sandover and was opposed to scanning mjw.

There's one error, I was never against scrying MJW, I was the one suggesting it

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Ok, as these might be my last words, here is my farewell letter (Oh, dramatic )

I am not sure at all of Roland's status. He seems like a villager, but he is also trying to get me killed. If he is a villager, I see him in a role where he has power to lead the village to victory, and the power to wreck the game with his tunnel vision. If my death comes tonight, I hope he takes it as a lesson and sees how easy it is to twist someones words according to his vision.

For you guys defending me, thank you for having the faith. If I die, look how hard some of these people have tried to defend me.

I've actually noticed that I might be putting too much emotions for this game. Reading Scooters post gave me an unbelievable feeling, I literally could not stop smiling I don't know how I have earned so much trust from you, but I truly am grateful.

Regarding the bad guys, I expect you (good guys, that is) to request more answers from sunrise and Mr Nice Guy. Hopefully sunrise gets the chance to really participate, and I do hope that Mr Nice Guy answers to my doubts, and will let you draw conclusion based on that.

I'm far from convinced that Gaspar is a wolf. If you can find a better candinate, I would gladly change my vote. I can imagine that if Gaspar is a villager and is lynched, people defending me will be blamed. Then again if I die, it goes the other way around. That is a win / win situation for the wolfs.

[scooter]

Scooter:
I didn't claim he lied. I said either he grossly misinterprets what I say - which is exactly what I just said to you is the most likely - or he's lying. Plain and simple.

Here's what you said:

even if, half the time, he either grossly misinterprets what I'm saying or outright lies about it. :P

You are quite proficient in the English language, so you are assuredly a native speaker. The way you worded this sentence is the way one would word it if he was trying to portray that a person has done both things. If I were to say, "half the time, Roland either posts on RB or kicks a soccer ball," the natural conclusion is that I'm saying you've kicked a soccer ball before. If it came out that you have never kicked a soccer ball and I knew it, it would obviously have been a deceitful statement on my part. That's exactly what you did there, and to try to back out of it the way you did is pretty disingenuous. And then you deliver this little gem in the second half of your comment to me:

If you want to jump on the bandwagon of misinformation and gross interpretation, be my guest. You're only painting a bigger bullseye on your back.

This is classic Roland. I disagree with him, so he:

1. Accuses me of twisting his words
2. Wagged his finger at me and said "you're next sucka!"

So I'm officially on the "Roland trusted network hit list" - yippee. The two people I trust most right now, Meiz and Serdoa, are the two people above me on the hit list. So let's go ahead and lynch Meiz, and then we'll see who's full of it. Or rather, we'll get a couple days of Roland waxing eloquent on how it was a simple mistake, and then he'll sic his followers (probably a couple wolves in that group) on either myself or Serdoa.

At this point, I strongly believe that Roland is either a very clever wolf, or he is a villager who is as destructive to us as MJW has been.

(side note: Roland, don't take things personally. This is a game, and in a sense, we are all "in character" here - in that we're all playing roles. I hold no grudges from any game I've ever played, but the gist of it is that in this game, I think you are damaging the village, so I've tried to stop that from happening further. No need to take it personally, it's just that whatever character you're playing (whether wolf/villager) - I think it's hurting us, so I'm trying to stop it.