Realms Beyond Werewolf 2 : Game Thread

[MJW (ya that one)]

My top two suspects are:

Sunrise. He still has not posted at all much. He did not want to become mayor and he made a big-ass post in the LoL thread.

Gasper. Not posting much and saying anti-town things like lyching the banner would not hurt the village that much. He might be able to fake his emotions well.

[Irgy]

Sorry but... what? Those of us who voted for Meiz have presented good arguments for why we did so, and there's no proof at all that Gaspar is guilty. The only person that we do have proof against is Sandover- the people who voted and argued to save him are still the prime suspects.

I said myself that it was dependent on Gaspar's guilt, something I agree is far from certain.

My point there was built on my previous point of punishing bad votes, independent of the justifications given (wolves are generally quite good at giving justifications for their votes - in fact usually better on average than villagers I find), with the goal of either catching wolves or forcing them to forgo their natural advantage by voting for each other.

The point was just that the only thing we can get from day 2 is that the Meiz voters are slightly better targets than the others. You're quite right though that the evidence from day 1 is more significant than anything we got out of day 2. So "prime suspects" was probably a bit of an overstatement, I really just meant increased in suspicion.

[luddite]

Ok, that's fair enough. I'd agree with that.

[Serdoa]

I am not sure now, so please help me with that: Were Meiz not a prime suspect for exactly his actions on day 1? If not, for what was he a prime suspect? As Lewwyn said because he pushed the wrong buttons with him?

But I assume - or better: hope -that most of you did not just vote for Meiz because Roland did so, so I guess he was suspect in your eyes for his actions on day 1. Maybe you should then think about if only looking at the actions of day 1 is really the right way to go? Not to tell you how to play this game, but I feel that too many act like the wolves are completely dumb-asses.

I suggest that all go back and look what happened on day 1 and day 2 and think about who are the most likely wolves. For me that are those people which did not vote for Sandover (or swapped to him late) and which did vote for Meiz today. At least as of now, but I will surely also read again what happened. And probably also look at who did not post at all. Because in my opinion Day 2 was a clever plot by the wolves which made sure that we did not look at those who were quiet - even that everyone said that those are the most suspicious people - but concentrated nearly from the start of the day on Meiz and Gaspar (and partly me).

And I might add: Roland was pretty quiet that whole day - completely different then what he did Day 1. And on top of that he had said he would deliver evidence against Meiz and as Meiz pointed out correctly, that never happened.

Yes, I suspect Roland right now. Though I will use this night-phase to check my suspicions and hopefully will be alive tomorrow to cast my vote for a wolf.

[Sareln]

You know this made a lot of sense to me. So I looked at final vote tallies, and the only person to fit this description is Sareln.

Yeah, this game hasn't been my best by a longshot.

[sunrise089]

Sunrise. He still has not posted at all much...and he made a big-ass post in the LoL thread.

I'm still catching up. Please note this thread probably has more content added per day than the rest of the forum combined. Add to that that a very careful reading is necessary AND that each post doesn't exist in a vacuum. I have posted though, and I'll keep posting. I presented my reasons for voting for Meiz, and while I was wrong, I think I came to the same conclusions as several others. That said, I admit since we have so little to go off of you should be more suspicious of me than someone who voted to lynch sandover but voted against lynching Meiz.

He did not want to become mayor

I've addressed this before. First, I'm very aware of how little I know in this game, since we're all still grasping at straws and just hoping to be right even half the time. I tend to err on the side of caution in those circumstances, and so wasn't anxious to be responsible for tiebreakers, which will be a rare occurrence anyways. That was irrelevant though since as I posted previously several of those voting for me for mayor did so precisely because I had not campaigned for it. If I wanted the role actively campaigning would have cost me those votes, and if I didn't want it then actively campaigning would just be silly and way too meta for my tastes.

EDIT: re suspicion on Roland - that only makes sense to me if Sereln is a wolf. Otherwise Roland's actions on day 1 make little sense - he could be a wolf trying to gain trust, but then why loose some of it by switching to "no vote," and why help lynch a wolf day1 anyways? Only thing I can think of would be if Roland miscounted and though switching to no-vote lets sandover off and then if sandover was later lynched Roland could argue that he was a trusted villager since he made the original case against him.

[haphazard1]

Sorry but... what? Those of us who voted for Meiz have presented good arguments for why we did so

Arguments which turned out to be wrong. While this is always going to happen in these games, I have no doubt that some of the people voting Meiz were wolves, happy to hide behind the explanations offered for his guilt. Thus anyone who voted to lynch Meiz goes up on my suspicious list.

and there's no proof at all that Gaspar is guilty.

Many of us disagree, and feel the evidence is stronger than anything presented against Meiz.

The only person that we do have proof against is Sandover- the people who voted and argued to save him are still the prime suspects.

And Gaspar was one of these, and also worked with Roland to shift votes against MJW on Day 1. If someone did not want to risk lynching either possible Baner, why shift to MJW at all?

Anyway, all of those arguments have already been gone over multiple times. Adding the information from Day 2's voting patterns is the only way to move forward, rather than relying only on Day 1 information.

This I agree with. We only need to be right about half the time to win.

But this is no reason not to go after the highest-probability suspects, rather than taking semi-random shots in the dark.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Sandover said that no-one outs himself with 3/21 votes. Its a new record with 0/19. I can't believe that you are the seer now that the shoes are on the other foot...

[Selrahc]

Sandover said that no-one outs himself with 3/21 votes. Its a new record with 0/19. I can't believe that you are the seer now that the shoes are on the other foot...

Uh.. did I miss something?

[MJW (ya that one)]

And I might add: Roland was pretty quiet that whole day - completely different then what he did Day 1. And on top of that he had said he would deliver evidence against Meiz and as Meiz pointed out correctly, that never happened.

Yes, I suspect Roland right now. Though I will use this night-phase to check my suspicions and hopefully will be alive tomorrow to cast my vote for a wolf.

This is why it is best to move as late as possible in pitboss games. BS like this happens more often then not...