Realms Beyond Werewolf 2 : Game Thread

[Kyan]

Sigh, must go to bed.

Since 1 mason on his own is absolutely no different to a regular villager, i see no point in hiding it anymore. I am the other mason. Myself, Luddite and Roland have been coordinating throughout. Hence the strict Gaspar defence yesterday.

Serdoa- i owe you an apology. I lied and said to you that me and Roland hadn't communicated via PM. This is technically true as it's been via gmail. However, that's stretching it and i admit that. I hope you understand why i lied though. We had to keep our network safe and keep it growing.

Course i still think you're a wolf, but we have much bigger fish to fry tonight. Selrahc- who was so very eager to be mayor- is the devil. Fact. Guys, if we get this, we win the game.

Let me propose the devil's advocate position. Say i'm lying and Roland is lying and we're clever little wolves. Lynching Selrahc and losing one of your own absolutely stonewall CONFIRMS me and Roland as wolves. No question of a doubt. So, as i see it, your choice is this:

1) Kill the devil.
2) Lynch an innocent in Selrahc but then have confirmed identities of TWO wolves.

The wolves will probably try and find a hole in my logic somewhere but i can't see how it can't boil down to the above.

[Sareln]

Selrahc could've lynched me with his tiebreak mayor vote on Day1, of course with my villager corpse it would've been a good reason to scan him on night 1. Did he really throw Sandover under the bus like that? That's pretty canny play if so...

EDIT: Added "under" to the sentence.

[Kyan]

Selrahc could've lynched me with his tiebreak mayor vote on Day1, of course with my villager corpse it would've been a good reason to scan him on night 1. Did he really throw Sandover the bus like that? That's pretty canny play if so...

Almost devil'ish.

Oh and i didnt officialy vote. Selrahc.

Sareln- yesterday, we were wrong as we went on a hunch. Now, we have cold hard proof as we got lucky with the scry. On more step mate, that's all i ask. One more and this game is done.

[Sareln]

Oh, you mean this part?

Selrahc

[Kyan]

Oh, you mean this part?

Selrahc

Let's see them scramble now.

[Selrahc]

I'm calling you out, Selrahc. I know who you are, and I'm not afraid. Live or die, after today it will not matter for me. I'm going to die eventually - might as well make my death mean something.

Well one thing is for certain.

You are not the seer.

The seer does not and should not come forward when the baner is also revealed. Unless you are a fricking moron.

You're acting proxy to someone. Or you are a wolf. One or the other. I'm not asking you to reveal anyone. I do say to you though, they are either the fool or a wolf hoping he can convince you he is the fool.

And I'm going to have to say... Wolf. Because the seer or fool do not get info more precise than villager/werewolf. That is a cardinal error.

So what is happening is that some wolf, either you or someone working through you, has said I'm the devil. That is a screw up on their part, to try and sweeten the pot for this sham lynch. If someone told you that, then I would consider them a wolf. If you are a wolf, then there is no point in reasoning with you.

The secret role thing is the attempted escape when this inevitably turns out to be wrong. But I would urge you not to let it get that far.
It's a fake and a ploy. It's being advanced with definite lies.
Don't fall for it.

[Dantski]

Hmm well lynching Selrahc seems the safe move right now but I don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, we still have plenty of time for voting day 3

[Gaspar]

Well, as long as everyone's coming clean, I suppose I should also come clean, I have a secret role as well. I'm the jackass. I cast around aspersions in an attempt at tactical voting, try to gather information slightly off the beaten path, clumsily switch off from wolf lynchings at the last minute, make bad decisions and nearly get myself lynched while providing excellent cover for team Werewolf to hang innocent villagers. The only really correct call I've made all game is that MJW is completely out of his mind. I don't really help the team make good decisions, but I'm lots of fun at parties!

All kidding aside, mostly that's my apology for my role in the chaos of Day 2. As I said right after the lynch post, I had my doubts about the veracity of our Meiz lynch in the hours leading up to the deadline, but I had made myself too much of a target at that point to be able to act on any suspicions. Cowardly, though, and for that I truly do apologize.

With regards to the current lynch train, I've definitely had some suspicions regarding Selrahc prior to these claims. I do question the wisdom of its execution, fairly bold and clumsy seer play, if I do say so myself. Still, there's no way I'm going to pass on the opportunity to rid ourselves of the Devil, especially the Mayor-Devil.

Selrahc

[uberfish]

Ok, Roland's seer claim seems entirely consistent with his overdramatic style. Doesn't matter if he's a proxy as Selrahc cunningly suggests. I still believe him to be a villager and therefore that he'd pass on information accurately. He claimed before I finished gathering evidence from Selrahc's posts for my case. Seems this is unnecessary now. It seems clear what really happened on day 1 and 2:

There was no wolf attempt to save Sandover. Sandover was deliberately sacrificed by the wolves after Roland made a convincing case against him.

Day 1, I unfortunately manage to make Selrahc look really good by cross-voting with him at the last minute.

Day 2, the wolves, who mostly voted for Sandover, sat back while we chased shadows amongst the people who didn't vote for Sandover. Throwing in the odd "helpful" comment to reinforce the idea that Sareln/MJW voters were suspicious.

Selrahc makes a no-content post or two to keep up postcount, then his wolf slip. I was too tired of arguing to really push him on it.

Luddite's main argument on day 2 was that everyone who didn't vote for Sandover is suspicious. Wolves kill him to make the village believe that he was on the right track.

This just makes too much sense.

Unless we have rival seer claims there's no sensible move except to lynch Selrahc today. Even in the unlikely case that Selrahc turns out to be innocent, losing an innocent to identify a Fool is worth it. We can just vote in another mayor after all. I won't be voting for Sunrise this time.

[Selrahc]

There is absolutely no way that anybody could know if someone is the devil. That doesn't get revealed to villagers. It is a lie. And a fairly transparent one at that.

I believe that Roland cannot possibly be the seer. It would be easy to use a proxy. This is a lie for no real purpose.

If Roland is calling himself the seer to the masons, then the only explanation is that he is a wolf. He will probably pull out a fake proxy when it is shown he is wrong. To lynch three villagers, including Meiz.

Roland has lied multiple times in his accusation of me. The only logical explanation is that he is a wolf.

Roland actually has had a very poor record so far. He pushed Sareln, then tried to back away. Then tried to claim credit. He masterminded Meiz's death. He is trying to build up a position of trust and puppet the village.

I'm voting for Roland. I think he is a wolf.