February 26th, 2011, 07:33
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woof woof I'm a wolf
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February 26th, 2011, 07:35
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Firstly thanks for actually discussing this rather than just blindly lynching me.
1) regarding the owl
Not exactly sure how the owl can prove that anyone is a villager. As far as has been claimed the owl visited Selrahc. Yet the owl only got the result that Selrahc visited Sunrise, and not also Luddite who was killed. Conclusion: either wolf-kills don't show up on owl scans, or wolves pick 1 person to do the killing and he's the only one who shows up on the owl scan. Therefore Kyan's explanation that the owl scanned luddite, returned negative and this proved him to be innocent really doesn't make any sense at all.
2) regarding Sunrise and myself
Seriously if I was wolf and Sunrise real seer there's no way I would survive the game. Wolves can't let him go around scanning all the 50-50 suspicious people just to keep me alive for a couple of days. That would be silly.
If you believe Dantski to have been a likely wolf and Sunrise scanned him as innocent, there's even more reason to be uncertain about the validity of Sunrise's scan results until after the night phase.
Even if you think I'm #1 suspect I urge you to vote for your #2 today, whether that be Sareln or someone else, and let the truth about me come out tonight.
February 26th, 2011, 07:36
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Dantski Wrote:woof woof I'm a wolf
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Sorry had to quote this, back to the regularly scheduled lynching.
February 26th, 2011, 08:11
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Regarding what the Owl sees: If you are a wolf he see's you visit the person who is killed by the "wolf pack" because as a group they all visit the victim. The devil is evil but has a special night ability so the Owl sees who he visits and scries.
February 26th, 2011, 08:24
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Dantski Wrote:woof woof I'm a wolf
Yes, yes you are.
February 26th, 2011, 08:45
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Okay this defense that Sareln knew about the owl on Day 1 is cute, but let's consider a few things:
1. Ever consider Sareln didn't believe MJW? I mean cmon, no one was believing half the crap he said that day. When the owl was brought to the public thread, half of us thought this was alll some made-up scheme. Why would Sareln and the werewolves be any different? And then on Day 2 and 3 they had bigger targets apparently because they nailed luddite and MJW.
2. Ever consider that Sareln brought it to the other WW's and they felt that this role was pretty minor in comparison? This would explain days 2 and 3. We all don't actually know how the owl works - remember that. If all the owl can do is follow someone who has a night action (so he can't verify if someone is innocent/guilty), then he has a pretty minor role, so the WW's might not have been in a rush to kill him and destroy Sareln's cover. Plus they could kill him 3-4 days later and preserve his cover, because by then it'd be more plausible for them all to know about the owl.
Kyan, you're saying that those of us pushing the Sareln lynch are just twisting evidence. We've actually produced a very large amount of reasoning for why we lynch Sareln today and then if the situation demands it, lynch uberfish tomorrow. We're actually looking at this objectively and handling evidence, and all you've produced to counter it is a pretty weak point, for those two reasons above. Killing the owl night 1 would've meant Sareln gets lynched day 2, so I would bet that MJW saying the owl exists probably wasn't good enough for Sareln on day 1, considering how honestly MJW has been all game. 
February 26th, 2011, 08:50
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I think you've misunderstood what i meant.
On night 1, a last will and testament was sent to both MJW and Sareln. Believing MJW is irrelevant to my point. If the wolves knew of a secret role on villagers side, it would have been worth trading a wolf for. Besides, it's not hard to look the role up. The wolves aren't idiots.
An owl is a better kill than a mason every single time. Masons have no powers at all. I'm pointless now, just a regular villager.
February 26th, 2011, 08:59
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On a more serious note than my last post.
Does the fool get a random result when scrying? So its possible that the fool might in fact get lucky and be 100% correct
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February 26th, 2011, 08:59
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Kyan Wrote:I think you've misunderstood what i meant.
On night 1, a last will and testament was sent to both MJW and Sareln. Believing MJW is irrelevant to my point. If the wolves knew of a secret role on villagers side, it would have been worth trading a wolf for. Besides, it's not hard to look the role up. The wolves aren't idiots.
An owl is a better kill than a mason every single time. Masons have no powers at all. I'm pointless now, just a regular villager.
Okay, this makes slightly more sense, but I still don't think it's good enough. I actually disagree about the owl/mason thing - as killing one mason more or less disables the other. Like I said earlier, the owl can only catch a devil or seer, so what's the big deal about it? It's a minor niche role. Perhaps I don't understand fully how it works.
I guess I disagree that it'd be worth trading Sareln for. It would have been worth trading a regular wolf for, but Sareln had gained SO much trust that the owl sent him a last will and testament! Keep that in perspective here. All of us were calling him the only confirmed villager after day 1. I think the wolves would be insane on night 1 to risk that all on a guy who is claiming to be the owl but it hasn't been confirmed. I seriously doubt they'd do that, it would honestly be a bad call.
It's highly possible that they scried the owl though, in which case the owl will probably die soon. If I were a wolf and I got something like that, I'd probably go that route - scry the owl and kill them in a couple days, hoping the owl doesn't follow the devil (though it happened, odds were low).
Another factor is we don't know when in the night this message was sent. If it was sent late enough, it's highly possible the kill/scry was already sent in, and there wasn't enough time to reverse it. Way too many holes in this idea for me to buy it as a credible defense.
February 26th, 2011, 09:01
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Dantski Wrote:On a more serious note than my last post.
Does the fool get a random result when scrying? So its possible that the fool might in fact get lucky and be 100% correct
Correct. For example, if sunrise is the fool, then uberfish could still theoretically be a werewolf, though based on the other evidences, it'd be quite the longshot.
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