I'm not going to write up a big huge defense of myself tonight, as it appears that either Serdoa/Ug will be lynched today, and I'll probably be one of the candidates on the chopping block tomorrow. Let me at least address a small thing or two in my defense, before I get to thoughts on today:
[later edit: screw it, I wrote up a big defense anyways]
Kyan Wrote:2. The wolves WILL and have sold each other out to try and 'prove' their innocence.
This is certainly an accurate observation, and it's been evidenced first by the fact that Selrahc could have saved Sandover, but voted to kill him late instead, and then furthered by uberfish being the guy who pushed the killing of Selrahc. However, it seems to clash with this:
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These two should be fairly obvious. I'd mainly point to their staunch defence of both Sandover and Uberfish.
It just doesn't make sense to me why I'm getting pinned down as a bad guy here, for doing the exact opposite of what you just said the werewolves are doing..? Let's say for sake of argument that I'm a werewolf... would I really be that obvious? If things are as you say they are - that I staunchly defended the two of them, then would I really be that obvious about it?
Further though, you are being deceiving in the way you put your words, which isn't too surprising to me since you lied to all of us about being mason so who knows what else you've lied to us about. I never staunchly defended Sandover, nor did I staunchly defend uberfish. I'm not going to run all that stuff into the ground, but let me go through the crux of my thoughts that I developed on each day:
Day 1. I didn't like the MJW/Sandover thing that erupted, and I felt it was too risky to vote for either one. I proposed a very logical plan that would have allowed us to find the true baner within 4 days, all the while avoiding the risk of lynching the true baner. I
still insist that my plan made the most sense from a probability/risk standpoint, but in the end we gambled and won. I never staunchly defended Sandover, if you represented me fairly you'd know I was against lynching MJW as well. I was just terrified of losing our baner on day 1, and that is by no means a case of me staunchly defending Sandover.
Day 2. Meiz was on the chopping block today, for reasons I still don't understand. He was the only person I was in contact with frequently by PM, and from things he'd told me, I was highly confident that he was a villager. I "staunchly defended" him that day, and made the case for why the basis for lynching him was flimsy.
Day 3. I voted for uberfish, because I was skeptical of uberfish and the whole owl claim. I was very wrong, but Selrahc had such an overwhelming majority that it didn't matter. Keep in mind, if I was a wolf, would I be so ridiculously obvious as to NOT vote for another WW when he was clearly about to die? I mean why even be so stupid to risk it? I simply had my doubts about the Selrahc thing, so if the thing was a sham, I didn't want the blood on my hands when I was skeptical to being with. Also remember that haphazard also didn't vote Selrahc, and he's someone that everyone seems to trust. But my point is this - if I was a WW, I wouldn't be so stupid as to have it on record that I voted for someone OTHER than Selrahc, when it's not like I could have prevented the thing anyways.
Day 4. I made my opinions quite clear yesterday. I never actually defended uberfish, I just felt that statistically, we were better off lynching someone else that day and then seeing if the WW's would prove uberfish guilty over night - which they did exactly that. I still believe we had two very realistic victims that day, and I rode the train of the guy I felt more comfortable lynching, because I honestly believed the game was imbalanced if there was no fool in the game. Turns out there probably is no fool, but the point is, I was wrong, but I defend the thoughts I shared on that day. As Day 2 proved, we will often develop what might
seem like a solid option, only to find out we were dead wrong.
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If you find all this suspicious... okay? Just keep in mind, one of the general principles of wolves is that they know exactly who is who, so they actually tend to have
fantastic voting records, because they will almost never be accidentally caught with a super incriminating vote. Look at Selrahc and uberfish - their voting records were quite good. Look at Roland who almost everyone believes is a villager - his voting record is
awful. I look at that and I see someone who is a villager who has had poor judgment. If you want to find someone who is a werewolf, your best bet is to find someone who is flying under the radar a bit and has a very solid (though probably not perfect) voting record.
Look at someone who posts every now and then, but their posts feel low on content. To me a give-away is someone who will slap down who they are suspicious about but doesn't have much by the way of reasons. I would write more, but this is getting longer than I intended so I'll just give my vote.
Ug the Barbarian. I can't remember a single meaningful post of his... He blasted Dantski a bit ago for staying quiet, but the irony is I can at least remember 2-3 Dantski posts that were useful. I can't remember a single one from Ug... He routinely will drop a post saying he suspects someone, but he never has much by way of reason for it.
Contrast that with me. This entire game I've been one of the heaviest contributors. I've routinely gone against the grain and bucked against the "consensus" and I made it no secret that I was skeptical as to how the "trusted group" got so big so quickly, which turned out to be a good skepticism since Selrahc was apparently a part of that group.
I've always developed my own thoughts, explained the rationale behind every person I suspected. Contrast that with Ug, and if you can find a post where he introduced something new to the discussion, well please find that for me.
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So, in conclusion....
1. If you think I'm a wolf because because of voting record, just remember that one of the hardest ways to catch a wolf (until the very very late game) is by voting record, as they know how to maintain a flawless voting record. My votes were
always well defended, and I never just blindly voted for a bandwagon person.
2. I've contributed to the discussion here over and over again, and in the end I believe I have helped the village as a result, and will continue to do so. I believe I am valuable to the villager especially
because I'm never willing to take an opinion just because a trusted person said it, but rather examine everything against evidence. Getting to the late game without a seer/baner will actually be quite difficult, and now is not the time to be lynching a villager who has constantly contributed - even if you don't always agree with the conclusion. It's the same thing for a president, you don't want a bunch of yes-men as advisers, you want people who have the guts to go against you if they think you're wrong, because even if you're right, it gives you more information to base your decision off of.
So who would you rather lynch, Ug who has done his best to fly under the radar, or me who has done nothing but contribute all game long, and who has apparently ruffled a few feathers in the "trusted circle." If you think my voting record is suspicious, fine. What's not fine is an agenda of nailing me to the wall because I've been at odds a few times with the "trusted circle" and then looking at everything in a WW light and trying to bust me with it.
I'll won't defend Serdoa - I'll let him take care of it himself. I'm not 100% convinced of his innocence necessarily, but I would be surprised if he is a werewolf.
Edit: One final addition. Please spare me the "wow awfully defensive there, you must be a werewolf!" routine. We all know that's a ridiculous comment to make to anyone, as a villager or a werewolf would both defend themselves, and you know it too.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one that was told at the beginning of the game that I"m a villager, because it seems everyone else has some crazy role. I would rant even more, but I'll probably save it for post-game discussion. It's just frustrating to have a game that feels like a constant moving target.
