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Sareln Wrote:It's Sareln :neenernee.
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Why I think Gaspar is innocent.
Early on I made the case against him because he point blank refused to share hsi reasoning, I still think that was unhelpful but I've tried to bear grudges in this game against any one person so I didn't just write him off as a wolf.
Roland was always the first to defend Gaspar and then Gaspar was the first to defend Roland when the roles were reversed. Look at who didn't vote for Roland yesterday, Sareln who was confirmed as a villager, myself who was confirmed by the seer to be a villager and Gaspar.
So who would the wolves want to knock off?
Lewwyn, Sareln and myself were the top 3. Sareln was likely only eaten because of the post he made today. Lewwyn was likely spared because of his incorrect choice to lynch Roland and the wolves think he might make a poor choice again today.
My vote today will be for someone I listed as 'might be a wolf' but I will not make it yet as I'd like to see how today pans out for a while
"We are open to all opinions as long as they are the same as ours."
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Delayed but GG everyone. Thanks for the experience.
F&I has since made me aware that the owl role only detected the individual werewolf that PM'd him the kill each night. Anyone else would receive the result 'xxx did not leave their home'.
Thanks and good luck.
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Gaspar defended Roland while keeping an open mind, he never just pronounced Roland was innocent but did voice it as an opinion. Given this I can only view Gaspar as an innocent.
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Dantski Wrote:Early on I made the case against him because he point blank refused to share hsi reasoning, I still think that was unhelpful but I've tried to bear grudges in this game against any one person so I didn't just write him off as a wolf.
Roland was always the first to defend Gaspar and then Gaspar was the first to defend Roland when the roles were reversed. Look at who didn't vote for Roland yesterday, Sareln who was confirmed as a villager, myself who was confirmed by the seer to be a villager and Gaspar.
That's exactly why I have had my eyes off Gaspar for a while. I even had some fun a few days ago trying to move the bandwagon around, and I even included Gaspar on this list of suspects. At the time, Gaspar had already gotten off my list, but I didn't want to share it publicly. I only shared it with Roland.
(Why did I vote for Roland if I thought odds were better than 70% that he was a villager? Because he wanted out. I think he was truly losing sleep over the game, and I don't want him to suffer IRL because of this WW game. So if you're reading this, Roland, I didn't want to get you yesterday,. You know who I was after yesterday, and I'm sorry it didn't work out that way.)
That all said, I had a big post ready for the last day cycle in case Serdoa was evicted. It didn't happen, so I didn't post it. But we're to the point in the game when people need to speak up, so I'm going to post it anyway:
Quote:There has been a lot of back-and-forth about Scooter over the last several days. It's down to the point now, though, that I think it's time for him to hang. Lewwyn was right when he called Scooter "Opportunistic, ambivalent, deflective, slippery and defiant." This quote from Scooter (in the middle of Day 4) is the most damning of any:
Quote:One thing we all need to realize is that confirming the seer isn't a priority anymore. The seer is dead. If it's sunrise, he'll die tonight. If it's someone who's keeping quiet and sunrise is lying or he is the fool, they'll die tonight. Either way, the wolves WILL kill the seer tonight, and no one can do a thing about it. I suggest we let the sunrise/uberfish feud settle itself tomorrow. If sunrise dies tonight, we'll lynch uberfish tomorrow and we'll be 100% sure we've got the right guy. If someone else dies tonight, then we either lynch sunrise (faker WW) or we write him off as the fool, in which case he's a regular villager, and uberfish must be re-evaluated.
Realize that at this point I was playing the game. I had laid out a (flimsy) argument that Gaspar was a wolf. In fact, I had already accepted Gaspar as a likely-villager. I figured Uberfish would get lynched no-matter-what, so I chose to use Day 4 for a little tactical voting of my own. I laid claims against Gaspar, Scooter, and Sareln. The Gaspar accusations stuck - with Serdoa and Scooter. Now that we know Serdoa was a wolf, doesn't it make sense that with the wolves down in numbers they would accept a chance to lynch Gaspar if it would have saved Uberfish?
So Scooter made this post, telling us to put off Uberfish, because "the wolves WILL kill the seer tonight". At the time, the village was still unclear about whether Sunrise was a fool, a seer, a wolf, anything was possible. But to the wolves, Sunrise was a villager that had to go that night, and Scooter made the mistake of announcing that publicly.
Fellow villagers, I believe it's now clear as can be. Scooter is the second-to-last wolf. He's jumped at every opportunity to manipulate our thoughts of now-known villagers. He's only voted against wolves when it's been clear that the wolf is going down. And now it's his turn to die. Join me in voting Scooter for our victory!
For what it's worth, I believe two of the wolves to be Scooter and Serdoa. I'm not sold on the third, but he was the lynch target I wanted to go after, and I shared that name with Scooter the night before he was killed off.
So I've put it out there. That's all I have, and I hope that that makes sense to the village.
In response to people starting to think of me as being in the "possible wolf camp"... if there are specific questions I'll be happy to answer, but now my 2 year old daughter is asking for me to play, so it'll have to wait for a few hours 
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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Ok, so I just want to put this out there before the runaway train gets started against me. Since there have been lots of questions about me over the course of this game, I'm going to answer them as best I know how. For what its worth, I have explained my early days actions a couple of times, but at his point its moot.
Firstly, I'd like to address my outbursts. There are two things in life that frustrate me more than any other. 1. Needing to be right, and finding out I am wrong. 2. Being sure I am right and being unable to convince others of that fact. I am in fact, not often what I would call "sure" that I am right. But when I am, I am passionately, vociferously, outrageously passionate about it. I've gotten into fights with my boss (in fact, as fistfight on one occasion) and numerous other incidents. Clearly, in retrospect, this does not make this a good choice of a game for me. Over the course of this game, I have been really, really sure of myself on the following days:
Day 2 - I was sure I was a villager. I harbored no such certainty re: Meiz's guilt, as I have stated elsewhere, only my innocence, which I felt forced to protect.
Day 3 - I was sure Selrahc was the devil.
Day 4 - I was sure uberfish was a wolf, and moreover, that the seer claim was fake, and by a wolf. I didn't find out uberfish was the suspect until you all did.
Day 6 - I was sure Roland was a villager.
Day 3 is not especially relevant, because that passed without incident. You will find the overwhelming majority of inflammatory posts by me were made on Days 2, 4 and 6.
Day 2 as I said, I was the one on the block, so that's really all I can say about it.
Days 4 & 6 were the days I was most frustrated. On Day 4, the seer counterclaim was so obviously bogus, particularly when I heard who the supposed scry targets were, I was extremely frustrated that people who I trusted (Roland, Lewwyn) were the ones buying it. So I was really and truly angry both initially in pm's, when the claim was made known to me, and then later, in the thread, when people were voting based on it. On Day 6, I felt like Roland was being railroaded because people just wanted to shut him up, not because anyone realistically believed him to be a wolf. So I got quite angry in the thread both when the lynch was just shoved through with little counter-thought, and when it happened and nobody even seemed to feel bad about it.
As for the days I voted wrong:
On Day 1, I waffled quite a bit on the Sandover/MJW situation, choosing to go with MJW because he was irritating me. In retrospect, obviously wrong, but I refused to vote for Sareln since I didn't want to waste a villager for nothing. Sadly, we might have been just as well off if we had lynched MJW, since then we wouldn't have been so cozy outing all the power roles. We got a wolf though, and that was good.
On Day 5, Serdoa's impassioned pleas resonated with me enough, and Ug's relative silence did as well. That's probably the screw-up vote I feel most bad about, since it really cost us. I don't know that Serdoa's a wolf, but even if he was innocent, lynching him would tell us more than lynching Ug, who had no allies, did.
So that's why I voted the way I voted, when I voted. I had an idea of a way to play on Day 1/2 that I learned from WW1. In WW1 it was commonplace to throw some votes out and see what happened. That obviously hasn't meshed with this group, so I stopped doing it. I didn't have a great start to the game, but I feel like I've been a positive contributor from Day 3 on. Maybe we would be better off with Meiz, but that's over with and you're stuck with me. You can lynch me if you like, but you can't deny that I've been right more than I've been wrong, and I can promise you it will only get the village closer to losing this game.
On an aside, I find it amusing that only 3 people didn't make the heavily mistaken Roland vote - Sareln, who just got eaten; Dantski, scried villager and Me. And the first wolf vote comes in for me. 
Now - I'm not going to make any more impassioned pleas for my innocence. Solely because debating me is the sideshow the wolves want to keep us from talking about what we need to be talking about, which is who the wolves are. I'll let this sit a bit then post my thoughts on targets tomorrow.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
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Gaspar Wrote:On an aside, I find it amusing that only 3 people didn't make the heavily mistaken Roland vote - Sareln, who just got eaten; Dantski, scried villager and Me. And the first wolf vote comes in for me.
Irgy, Haphazard, Dantski, Rowain & Lewwyn:
I believe 4 of you 5 are villagers, and I hope you read this carefully. I believe Gaspar is 90% likely to be innocent. He did a good job demonstrating it in this post. We're at the point in the game where we can't go voting off people who are likely to be innocent, we did that with Roland yesterday and now we're out of time to kill almost-certain innocents. I would urge you to help me with my Scooter vote. If anyone has a reason not to vote for Scooter, please either say it here or PM me.
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Mr. Nice Guy Wrote:If anyone has a reason not to vote for Scooter, please either say it here or PM me.
Mr. Nice Guy - I read your post about me just a few posts up, and I guess I'm confused as to why you brought up the post of mine that you did..? I was pretty sure we already covered that and I explained it, and it was pretty much accepted by everyone, except apparently you. But hey, nice job cherry-picking posts I guess...?
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To me, this post read's as "wolf seeing a chance to jump on and push forward a lynch mob against a villager". What do you think?
Quote:So I was pondering the latest Roland development, trying to think of signs that might be telling one way or another, as for the last 3-4 days (real life days) or so I've been operating under the assumption that Roland is clean, which could have allowed me to overlook something. So I've spent some time going through the thread, and one thing jumped out to me, so I thought I'd share this to get some input from others - to see if my line of thinking is nuts or possibly smart. Here goes:
Why did uberfish make the seer claim through Roland?
I know, I know, the obvious answer is that going public would have been a bad call for him if he was trying to wriggle out of being lynched, so he had to go to someone. But why did he go through Roland? Now that we have the confirmed knowledge that uberfish was a werewolf trying to pull off a stunt to buy himself time, what made him choose Roland? At first glance it seems somewhat logical, as he was generally trusted, but now that we are rethinking whether or not to trust Roland, it seems a little sketchy.
Think about it. If you were a werewolf trying to pull off this stunt, you'd go to someone who was a trusted, confirmed villager right? That way all you have to do is convince them privately, and your gambit might just work, because the village completely trusts them. At the time, Sunrise and Kyan were both alive and confirmed villagers, as well as Lewwyn and Dantski who were both pretty close to confirmed villagers (I think most of us realized by this point that Lewwyn had some sort of role, and Dantski had been scried clean by sunrise). Roland on the other hand had only the fact that he was trusted by the inner circle, but there still has never been any conclusive proof that he is clean, given that no one has scried him.
So going back to my original scenario, if you were uberfish, you would have gone to sunrise or Kyan right? Probably sunrise, as it might be easier to convince him that you were also a possible seer, as sunrise seemed very open to the idea that there was a fool in play. So going to Roland doesn't make a ton of sense to me, unless Roland is another werewolf, so there's no "convincing" at all that needed to be done, since Roland held considerable influence at that point.
With that in mind, I'm going to quit hemming and hawwing and vote for Roland, if only to get him to actually speak up and say something rather than his quiet treatment where he is voting for himself. I admit I'm hesitant to vote for him, but the problem is I really don't see another great alternative right now. Also, I'd like someone to vet my theory, as I feel like I came moderately close to the fallacy of assuming Roland as a wolf and reading into the uberfish claim scenario, so if I'm looking at that wrong, I'd like to know.
That's Scooter's post from yesterday, trying his best to seem inconspicuous while also trying to convince uncertain villagers to vote for Roland.
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Ahhhh, so we're gonna play the "pick a random post and claim it's something a werewolf would do" game huh?
By the way, where were you when we were having that discussion? I don't remember you adding anything worthwhile the whole time. So if we're going on "seeming inconspicuous" - who was doing it better? Me or the guy who kept his mouth shut?
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