Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[Ichabod]

I just have to point out this post:

I fall so far behind, half the thouhgts I have about players are no longer relevant.

I don't see much evidence on anyone yet just a bunch of wild speclation.

I might had one too many beers for his stuff to make sense, but damn does roland talk a bunch. Prattle prattle prattle.

I stil Leywwn seem guilt. Only real evidence we have is his weird vote switch. But noone else votes for him.

Also, too many complaints about meta. We got wolfies to ctch. I don't care how.

I dont know if Ochabid is right, but I respect the effort. [COLOR="DarkRed"]Selrach
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Fuck hillabillys from MOrehead St. I went there for Boys State one year. worst week ever.

I'm sure that a wolf wouldn't post anything in this state

Sorry GES, but this post is too funny not to point out!

[Irgy]

I'm sure that a wolf wouldn't post anything in this state

I actually think you have a good point here. Although I'll keep it in mind as a tactic in a future game...

[Ichabod]

And to triple-post my way out, I'm going to propose another lynch candidate.

I'm going to sleep now, so I want people to be able to start discussing as soon as possible.

Serdoa

Reasons to come later, after I read all the thread again and slept over it for some time...

[Mardoc]

I just have to point out this post:

I'm sure that a wolf wouldn't post anything in this state

Sorry GES, but this post is too funny not to point out!

...you know - you're right. Either GES is innocent, or he's got deception so deep in his blood that we might as well give up now.

Day 1 is pretty close to being completely useless and should just about be removed from consideration entirely at this stage. Other than psycho-analysing people's play styles and motivations of course. All of the top candidates were villagers, so the wolves could happily play their natural village game without any concerns. They'd have to be pretty stupid to have left a trail on day 1.

Does that mean I can't use it to exonerate Lewwyn and novice, after all? Since I seem to have poor judgment at picking wolves, I'm hoping to come at the problem from the other end and pick villagers.

[Irgy]

Does that mean I can't use it to exonerate Lewwyn and novice, after all? Since I seem to have poor judgment at picking wolves, I'm hoping to come at the problem from the other end and pick villagers.

Probably, but it depends what sort of things you're using to exonerate them?

Picking villagers is what I'm starting to do as well. As are a few others from what I've read. It's the only way to catch good wolves (as long as you're not fooled by a great one), and it's going to become a better and better strategy as the numbers thin.

[Mardoc]

Probably, but it depends what sort of things you're using to exonerate them?

Oh, in particular, the fact that both of them were willing to make a last second, highly visible and commented on, switch among MJW, PB, and Cull, who were all villagers (but of course no one knew that). I can't think of any reason for a wolf to be willing to stick their neck out for a target who was going to turn out to be a villager. On the other hand, a villager sticking their neck out when they don't know who's a villager and they're just going off of gut feel and voting patterns seems quite reasonable.

I could imagine a wolf being willing to take the spotlight like that later in the game when they can justify the move, especially if they do it to gain the trust of the saved villager. But neither made any attempt along those lines, that I can see. And I could definitely imagine a wolf acting like that to save another wolf, but we now know that was impossible.

Well, ok, novice did try to save PB later on, but PB wasn't really in danger Day 1 when novice made his switch. And to make up for that, novice gets extra credit from me for the Selrahc kill, another move that would take an especially machiavellian and lucky wolf, or just a straightforward villager.

[Irgy]

Oh, in particular, the fact that both of them were willing to make a last second, highly visible and commented on, switch among MJW, PB, and Cull, who were all villagers (but of course no one knew that). I can't think of any reason for a wolf to be willing to stick their neck out for a target who was going to turn out to be a villager. On the other hand, a villager sticking their neck out when they don't know who's a villager and they're just going off of gut feel and voting patterns seems quite reasonable.

Well this is all still true. But it is the sort of stunt a wolf might pull just to invite this sort of suggestion later. If there's a danger people think they were protecting a wolf, the village is still likely lynch the one they're supposedly protecting first. And the wolves have a surefire way to clear a villager each night if they want to make it clear later that it was a village-village switch. So I don't see that sort of switch as all that high-risk for a wolf to pull as a stunt.

You still make a reasonable point though for all that. It's still a gutsy move for a wolf to pull, and we haven't seen much history of that sort of gutsiness from wolves in the past.

[scooter]

My favourite here is scooter - he hasn't really introduced many fresh thoughts, just been acting as a neutral mediator.

I've seen you mention this kind of thing about me a few times, and I'm not totally sure I understand what you are saying. I was the one person who wrote up the case against Irgy early on. I wrote a very lengthy post the other day outlining why Roland and Lewwyn were ticking my suspicion meter very strongly. I had a patch of a day and a half where I wasn't around much, but RL was quite busy for that time, so I simply wasn't overflowing in time with participating here, but that was a quite small stretch. Honestly, I think you fit that description much better - of just being a neutral mediator who doesn't write lots of fresh ideas. Roland too for that matter. You and him tend to play the "idea critic" role rather than the "idea writer" role. I don't think you are a wolf honestly, but do you really think you've written more original ideas than me?

For what it's worth though, I will explain my attitude towards this game. Last game I was a wolf, so I played a very active style wolf. I'm not going to re-hash it much, as I'm tired of all the WW2 rehashing that happens in this thread, but I knew with this game that since I was a villager, I needed to figure out how I was going to play, since I was going to have to actually worry about catching wolves this time, where last game I played pretty much just trying to stir the pot and have fun.

One of the problems I found last game with those who were villagers, was often that many of them got way too stuck in their pet theories, and did an exceptionally poor job of considering that they could be wrong (happened in WW1 some too). Again, not going to rehash specifics, but I thought that the strongest villagers were the ones who carefully considered what everyone was saying, did their absolute best to keep an open mind and protect against bias, and then carefully made their decisions. I made that my goal this game - to try to very carefully watch who said what, looking for little hints. I felt that if I got too attached to my theories/opinions, I'd be blinded. This is why I let the "how to handle the Fool" argument drop by the way. I still think my argument made more sense (I'm slightly stubborn, what can I say), but in the interest of preventing myself from getting too attached to my opinion, I let it drop and ceded it to the majority, because the last thing I need to do is to cloud my judgment with pointless squabbles. So yeah, if I've seemed as if I'm making some sort of attempt to be a little more neutral than you'd think, well that's because I am. I feel like the best villagers from past game were the ones who did a good job of that, so I'm trying.

And like I said above, I feel your description of me applies remarkably well to you... I don't think you are suspicious because of it, but by your reasoning, you would be suspicious as well. Just some food for thought here.

Hopefully this helps some. I understand you made a minor point, but I thought I'd try to clarify, since this is probably the 3rd or 4th time you've casually mentioned me in that manner.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Sorry to see Sandover go. Especially since he was so low on the village's collective radar. But them's the brakes when you're dealing with vicious wolves.

Speaking of wolves, how's JKaen's list holding up?

8/10 - Fire and Ice, MNG
7/10 - Cull, PB
6/10 - Sandover, Meiz
5/10 - Serdoa, Scooter
4/10 - Ichabod, Rowain, Roland
3/10 - Mardoc, Zakalwe, Irgy
2/10 - GES, Novice
1/10 - Bruidane
0/10 - Jkaen

Our lynched and eaten villagers are pretty heavily populating the top half of the suspicion list. But wait, I think we as a village decided Sandover was low on the suspicion list. Could it be --- the folks above 6/10 were put there to see what suspicion stuck, and when suspicion didn't stick on Sandover he was killed? Much as I'd like to suspect F&I (I think I may have suspected him on Day 1), this list is starting to make me think F&I could be okay.

I've already said that I suspect zakalwe. I notice that there's a bit of suspicion placed on him within the village. BUT I continue to have one suspect on my list that needs a vote: JKaen. Shocker, eh? Sorry that I don't have time to start quoting specifics --- took me an hour to catch up as it was --- but my intuition (blinders at this point, maybe) has read everything he's said in the last day and said 'yep, sounds like a wolf'.

[Roland]

Honestly, I think you fit that description much better - of just being a neutral mediator who doesn't write lots of fresh ideas. Roland too for that matter. You and him tend to play the "idea critic" role rather than the "idea writer" role. I don't think you are a wolf honestly, but do you really think you've written more original ideas than me?

I tend to agree. Scooter, in my humble opinion, has done a good job of attempting to forward ideas and theories, and discuss those already present. Having said that, scooter, you were a 'Wolf in WW2. What do you feel about the odds that no 'Wolf voted for Selrahc? How many 'Wolves do you think voted to lynch Selrahc? Further, how many 'Wolves do you think voted to lynch pocketbeetle, knowing full well it would blow up in our faces?