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[FFH2PBEM6 Lurker Thread] The Peanut Gallery

Well, it's a bit early for a big comparison of players' positions, but there are still a few observations that can be made.

All players have nearly identical starts that present similiar challenges. The main question that needs to be answered is: given the food-poor situation around my starting area, how do I make the most of it?

Now, my personal feeling on the matter before the game started, was that Agriculture was the obvious choice, with worker-first a good approach (there's a grace period of a few turns in FFH before barbarians start popping up; getting a worker first, and building your improvements before the barbs start coming in heavy always seemed the right choice for me).

Now, having got Agriculture, the key thing to note is that this will give a worker plenty to do - every start has several riverside plains, which, once farmed, turn into 2-1-1 tiles; this may be unspectacular by mid-game, but right now, each such tile gives both production and commerce without any further techs needed.

What next really depends on the nature of the civilization in question - Hunting, Mining, Education and Mysticism are all valid choices, I feel.

With that in mind, let's see how the players are doing.

Ichabod of the Khazad

The dwarven hills movement bonus came in handy instantly, as it allowed him to settle on a riverside plains hill first turn. Going Agriculture first is a good move, and even with a break to get some emergency warriors built, the extra hammer from the plains hill settlement should get the worker out fast enough.

Irgy\Mardoc of the Kuriotates

Very detailed thread-writers. Started with Agriculture, so went full steam ahead on Ancient Chants\Mysticism, trying to land an early Elder Council\Academy. Slightly dangerous move on getting a granary out before additional warriors - that's taking farmer's gambit a step too far.

They also have got their worker out already, and are going to farm most of the tiles in their BFC, including some riverside cows.

Jkaen of Amurites

Stayed in place and settled on turn one. Grew to city size 2 before beginning a worker. Started with Ancient Chants, then went to Agriculture -> Mysticism.

I think this opening is somewhat sub-par, as there's going to be Jkaen will be several turns late in finishing his wheat farm, compared to Irgy or Ichabod. This will translate in him probably being one city size smaller for the next 30 turns or so.

Dantski of Elohim

Started with Ancient Chants, went Mysticism, then Agriculture. Not sure if he's even started a worker yet. It's not really clear why he went Mysticism first; he appears to be ambivalent about revolting to God-King, and building an elder council whilst not having any tile improvements in place would be a very bad move.

He's probably going to be behind Jkaen at this stage.

Sciz of Hippus

Started with Agriculture, and went straight for Calendar. Is this a good move? I'm really not sure that running 3-0-1 tiles is better than running 2-1-1 tiles with a 5-citizen happiness limit in the early game; sure, as he gets Mining, he'll be able to put two farms + a mine (not quite clear from screenshot whether the mine would bring in a coin as well, but let's assume it does) for a 6-4-3 benefit. On the other hand, straightforward Agriculture will get him to 6-3-3 without an investment into Calendar, Crafting and Mining.

He's now researching Ancient Chants and Mysticism, at which point he expects to revolt into God-King and Agrarianism - by that time, he'll likely be maxed out, or close to, on citizens' happiness anyway, and the extra food will be wasted until such time as he gets an elder council (as he's losing a hammer per each extra food, he's not even going to win on any workers\settlers he makes).

So, he's already made one tech path mistake, and it remains to see whether he'll make a second one. On the plus side, he's got a worker out, so his development is doing quite well at the moment.

Also, as an aside, it's very likely that Sciz has settled in such a way as not to have the Copper in BFC, thus worsening his capital's long-term potential.

Selrahc of Lanun

The dark horse of the game, he only settled on fourth turn. His initial situation is horrible - working 1-hammer citizens or ice hills, he is limping towards Fishing.
Once he gets Fishing, however, he'll build four workboats (two coves, one pearls, one crab). Say, turn 35-40 by the time he does all that, turn 60 before he gets an Academy in the capital?

His risk would be that in the meantime others will expand into the land he'd consider his own, but still he's very likely to be one of the leading powers circa turn 60. It'd be interesting to see whether he continues expand on the frozen seaside or try to go back inland.

Overall

I'd say that at the moment, first tier is Ichabod, Irgy\Mardoc and Selrahc. Second tier is everybody else.
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Since it seems a couple of the players have figured out Jkaen's mistform issue... is there any reason if you knew a player was having this problem you wouldn't just go over and take his cap right now? I mean other than it being unreasonably far away? I can't think of any, other than maybe pity.
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Having your cap taking troop killed by a mistform? :P
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a) not having sufficient force to defend from mistform then take the city,
b) a constant drain of materiel for the forseeable future (as Rawkking has said the mistform will do to you what it did to the previous owner).
c) expense (even if the mistform doens't hit you it'll cost money to run a far away city)
d) the court of public opinion.

Now if it were a normal capital site, providing you could get enough force together, I'd say taking would be worth it even with those objections. But these are not normal capital sites, and Jkaen will be the weakest player for the forseeable future due to his bad luck.
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And Jkaen wishes to go Hyborem, not knowing what Selrahc is doing. This is going to be really bad for him.
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What I'd really like to see is how well promoted that mistform is at this point. By the by, is this Ichabod's mistform or did someone else pop one, I can't recall. Because if so, might be the most effective military action he makes all game. smile
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Gaspar Wrote:Since it seems a couple of the players have figured out Jkaen's mistform issue... is there any reason if you knew a player was having this problem you wouldn't just go over and take his cap right now? I mean other than it being unreasonably far away? I can't think of any, other than maybe pity.

Aggresive persona... check.
Quite willing to screw over a struggling neighbour.. check
Making competitors aware of it... check

Phew. No need for me to do diplo tonight!
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Kyan Wrote:Aggresive persona... check.
Quite willing to screw over a struggling neighbour.. check
Making competitors aware of it... check

Phew. No need for me to do diplo tonight!

Hmm, wasn't aware we'd made contact yet. Certainly know you wouldn't want to chat about a game with someone you hadn't met yet in a game, that's not your style. wink

Nonetheless, I wouldn't think you'd have a lot of diplo to do, unless Nicolae, Brian, mackoti/Acalostos and Rawkking Goodguy all haven't been reading PBEM17. After all...

Nobody would want to chance you reneging on your deals 5T after you made them and you already received the benefit from them, would they? That'd be awfully shortsighted.

lol
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Gaspar Wrote:Hmm, wasn't aware we'd made contact yet. Certainly know you wouldn't want to chat about a game with someone you hadn't met yet in a game, that's not your style. wink

Nonetheless, I wouldn't think you'd have a lot of diplo to do, unless Nicolae, Brian, mackoti/Acalostos and Rawkking Goodguy all haven't been reading PBEM17. After all...

Nobody would want to chance you reneging on your deals 5T after you made them and you already received the benefit from them, would they? That'd be awfully shortsighted.

lol

Haha. So misinformed. Perhaps we can take it to my thread there if you would like any questions answered? smile

As for this game, it's really confusing to understand how people are doing as the map is so unusual. I guess i kinda approve, but am also glad im not playing in it. I don't mean any offence by that Maksim, just not quite my taste.
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Cracks me up watching everyone slowly come to the idea that the Infernals would be great on this map. Wonder what they're going to say when Selrahc does the deed so early?
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