September 8th, 2011, 16:16
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Mr. Nice Guy Wrote:This post reads to me as you not wanting to join bandwagons. A short while later, you voted uberfish, after it had become a full and strong bandwagon.
Your ealiest posts commented no wanting quiet people to speak up. Then you yourself went unusually quiet. When people called you out for being quiet, you commented about being busy. You've since been very vocal.
The trend here is a series of contradictions. No bandwagon, bandwagon. Speak up, people, while TT is quiet. TT's busy, but very vocal...
That, sir, is why I am so suspicious of you. I can't tell you any more specific arguments to refute, on day 1 there aren't any. But I would ask more predictabbility and consistency. That's all.
That said, much as it irks me to vote with my #1 target, I feel more strongly now than ever about my uberfish vote, thanks to his couple of recent emo posts.
Ok fair enough, thanks for at least detailing the points so I know what I'm up against.
Those points are valid and I can see why they would seem suspicious.
Let me explain as best I can.
On terms of being loud, quiet, loud - the game began at 2200GMT or 11pm my time. I had literally one hour before bed and knew I would not be at my PC until the next evening. I wanted as much discussion as possible while I would be able to respond to it.
I have explained exactly why I was busy. Like I said, you are free to dispute it, though I know that you are wrong. Now I am in the same situation as the first night. I have a few hours where I can contribute and catch up with the days posts before I'm on radio silence again until tomorrow night. There are more important things than this WW game and I'm not turning down paid work or seeing a loved one just so I can keep in contact and not seem suspicious.
To me this is a logical explanation, but some of you are sceptical enough not to believe me and there's nothing I can do about it. Everytime I read someone cast aspersions on my other commitments I want to tell them to go forth and multiply, but I don't think that would help my cause either.
On bandwagons - Indeed I do not like bandwagons, mainly because they very rarely have much solid evidence behind them, just some voter momentum.
I have provided my detailed reasons for voting for uberfish and not anyone else. The fact that I was joining a bandwagon was coincidental, though again I can see how that would look hypocritical. Uberfish is the only logical lynch candidate. He obviously doesn't have a village power role, otherwise I am certain he wouldn't play such a risky gambit, so losing him to gain enlightenment even if he's innocent is worthwhile.
From my previous WW game you can see how I like to be presented with other people's reasons for suspecting me so I can counter them as best I can, with as much reasoning that I can. I believe I have done that.
"You want to take my city of Troll%ng? Go ahead and try."
September 8th, 2011, 16:18
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Roland Wrote:See, that's another thing that gets me. Am I the only one who thought it was a SMART move not to waste an entire day? Granted, obviously he could have learned more if he waited longer, but we've seen this sort of thing before - the longer you wait, especially early on, the less time you have to react and build a defense. Uberfish is an experience player - surely he must have noticed this pattern, too.
I get what you're saying. He didn't have to wait 24 hours exactly, but he didn't even wait 5 hours. That's nowhere near long enough for him to pick up relevant information based on people's responses. Which is the key to my feeling his gambit was more fake than anything else.
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
September 8th, 2011, 16:20
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Twinkletoes89 Wrote:From my previous WW game you can see how I like to be presented with other people's reasons for suspecting me so I can counter them as best I can, with as much reasoning that I can. I believe I have done that.
You've actually done an admirable job of it  
What a nice way to end my available playing time:
hi ho, hi ho, it's off to work I go. For a little OT: "own-time". lol
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
September 8th, 2011, 16:22
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MNG: I pulled it in 5 hours because it seemed people had time to respond - scooter did and he's American based. It was about early evening in Europe and morning in America so it seemed reasonable that most people would have had a chance to read the thread
September 8th, 2011, 16:25
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Serdoa Wrote:I really try to come up with reasons not to vote for you, but you make it really hard as you don't even try to be helpful. Your gambit might or might not have been intended to help. But everything afterwards pretty much was not.
I'm really starting to feel this way as well. uberfish's comments really haven't sparked any sort of trust in me. On the other hand, the huge landslide of votes that accumulated on uberfish really suggests to me that he's either a) innocent or b) sacrificial. It seems like the wolves almost always are able to get at least one innocent in sight of the Day 1 gallows.
At this point I don't see a reason to move my vote around as it appears it won't matter, though we still have some time left. For the record, my suspects right now are Zak/Catwalk (both of these drop off with a guilty 'fish), Lewwyn (doesn't seem to be contributing much, just following other voters around), TT (a variety of reasons.)
September 8th, 2011, 16:47
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oh yeah I forgot to claim, I'm actually the seer
September 8th, 2011, 16:49
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uberfish Wrote:oh yeah I forgot to claim, I'm actually the seer
I don't know I think fool would have greater chances to be believed.
September 8th, 2011, 16:49
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September 8th, 2011, 16:50
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uberfish Wrote:oh yeah I forgot to claim, I'm actually the seer
It wouldn't be a proper RB WW game if we didn't get to lynch a claimed seer.
If you know what I mean.
September 8th, 2011, 16:52
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Injera Wrote:I'm really starting to feel this way as well. uberfish's comments really haven't sparked any sort of trust in me. On the other hand, the huge landslide of votes that accumulated on uberfish really suggests to me that he's either a) innocent or b) sacrificial. It seems like the wolves almost always are able to get at least one innocent in sight of the Day 1 gallows.
I agree with this. I'm not feeling so good about Uberfish defense (it seems to me that I defended him more then himself), but the circumstances around it are strange. I think Injera nailed it: he's either innocent or a wolf that the other wolves already decided to sacrifice. Either way, it'd be difficult to find wolf trails by looking at the voting...
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