Werewolf 7 game thread

[Injera]

Thanks everyone for the responses to my two questions, I appreciate it. I guess I was just underestimating how much weight people were giving to comparing zakalwe's current actions to prior ones.

I don't know what to make of these last few pages of Erebus posts, they seem to have gotten downright frantic. I mean, after some hasty posts and a bizzare nonedit, he then attempts and fails to do a role count?

That's not even the most bizarre thing though:

Sorry meant to preview. No edit so here:

Hindsight says I should have deleted that entire thing, but I never reread before I hit reply.

I'm not trying to nitpick, but what? Why on earth would you use preview post if you never reread what you write?

[Erebus]

Formatting errors on the hyperlinks. Not for content.

[Sareln]

The mistake I notice was minor, but it could have been indicative of other mistakes. Sareln made the first vote tally and left off MNG initial vote, if anyone wants to compare and see if anything else is different be my guess. Who messed up the Tally yesterday? Wasn't it Sareln with Zakalwe catching the mistake. I have to ask the question is this honest mistakes or information manipulation.

I'd call it an honest error . I built the original tally for day 2 starting from Gaspar's post and working from there, it's at the top of the page w/ my forum settings. Honestly, I'm surprised the tallies for Day 1 were as accurate as they were, it was a mess keeping track of that. With that out of the way, let's get to the fun part:

To try and manipulate the tally or vote history that people are working with is just a stupid decision. Think about it, I'd need to lie about something that anyone could check. So I'd damage my credibility to accomplish what exactly? A little bit of skullduggery that would last about as long as it took the GM to inform us that their count was off?

Sorry if that sounds dismissive but I think you're trying to cast aspersions my way in a very questionable manner and I'm having trouble coming up with a theory for why you'd do such a thing and be an innocent.

Roland is right, I'm not going to get anything from JKaen outside of his posting period. I'd still love to hear from him, but since my own window is about to close I'm going to park my vote on Erebus .

[Erebus]

You mean Scooter right?


Hrmmm.....

[Mr. Nice Guy]

In general vote analysis is only good once you know enough alignments to narrow scope. You're far more likely to catch someone on tone or bad play than a day one or day two vote ON day one or two. The vote histories can be more telling later on down the line - for example how we figured out Irgy and Rowain at the end of WW2 from the scooter vote. *Hums a few bars of "Glory Days"*

I think I'm finally starting to figure the online version of this game out - finally, since this is the 5th one I've participated in!

The above is also why I'm currently taking individual players as individuals, rather than groups. I may suspect player A, but if they have a good theory about player B, I'll be willing to say so and maybe even vote against player B because of it. I guess that's also why my suspect list is pretty fluid right now. Of course, the people I have on the list (seemingly the same as the majority of the village) aren't doing much to convince me that they're innocent. At least TT addressed my concerns in Day 1. Or have Erebus, Injera, Catwalk, Sareln, and Scooter tried to address my concerns unsuccessfully? I'd add JKaen to that list, but we know he hasn't done anything to eliminate anyone's concerns.

And yes Gaspar, those were the good old days

[Roland]

Alright Serdoa. I reread that post by Sareln, and you're right - I think I did misread it with regards to his defense about his uberfish vote. I still don't agree with his vote, but I understand why he did it. Thanks for drawing my attention to that - I'd feel horrible if I pushed to lynch someone based on false evidence. I'm willing to let slide his defense against the Lewwyn ties, as well (not that it was very damning anyway). I don't think I'm being unfair to him re: signal-to-noise, but that may be me trying to hide behind the echoes of others saying the same thing, rather than owning up to my actions.

Also, with regards to zakalwe I have to agree I think you and Twinkletoes are being a bit paranoid. Maybe I'm just too confident in my read on zakalwe, but I'm not seeing him as a 'Wolf. I do see some of the things both of you have mentioned, but they haven't been big enough to really stand out for long to me - most of passing interest. I suppose it's worth keeping an eye on, though. I've already said zakalwe stands the best chance at fooling me into thinking he's a Villager if he's actually a 'Wolf, and I meant it - I wouldn't have said that if I thought even for a moment he was a 'Wolf. I wouldn't give him the satisfaction.

Shifting gears, I can't help but get the feeling MNG isn't trying very hard. It's like he's doing his best to simply skim along, staying just far enough under the radar to not get eaten or lynched. It reminds me of Lewwyn's play in WW2 where he ultimately stated his goal was to stay alive. I expect that sort of behavior from Lewwyn, but not from MNG. Is anyone else getting the same vibe, or am I just being paranoid?

Right on the heels of that:

I have to say on my first read through of the day I'm quite frustrated. I'm frustrated at the lack of interaction - there's been a lot of little punches at people that are just getting ignored. That's smart wolf play if you can get away with it, but usually as a village we've been smart enough to not let folks get away with it.

Would you care to elaborate on that, i.e. with some more specific examples? If you're noticing it, and you feel it's smart 'Wolf play, don't you think that's a good lead on catching a 'Wolf? Share with us what you see. That would generate a great deal of discussion - something you keep fuming over the lack of but rarely throw anything out to further, IMO.

I'm having a mixed feeling about if I should elaborate on what I wanted to post in the fakeedit. Basically I thought I knew who the Vigilante is, but I don't want to call them out if I still have a day for the vote to shift.

I wrote up a post in place of this one to try and explain why I put that odd statement. Once again however, I don't want to oust a possibly confirmed villager if I don't have to.

I'll copy the post to a notepad, and if Roland and Zak want to see, I'll post it. Otherwise I'll keep it to myself until I need to justify myself again.

Everyone keeps talking like they know who the Vigilante is. Am I the only one who has no freaking clue?! For that matter, if I was the Vigilante and someone called me out on it I'd be pretty pissed at having my cover blown. At this point with the 'Wolves still being at full strength (Devil, Role Blocker, and Double-Voter) I can't see any possible reason why we'd want to oust anyone. It just seems to me like we'd be throwing away a confirmed Villager for hardly any gain, but maybe I'm missing something.

Anyway, since you called me out directly I just wanted to comment that unless someone can provide a good damn reason why we should be outing our own power roles, I say leave it be. I understand your frustration at being on the block, and how that may make you nervous enough to try anything to save yourself, but I can't see that being a good call. Besides, as I see it you have one likely Villager, one heavy 'Wolf suspect (for me), and one iffy neutral parked on you at the moment. Obviously I think zakalwe's innocent, and I think it's a waste to lynch JKaen at this point (and also suspicious to try), so that makes 2 of the top 3 lynch candidates people I have no intention of voting for. After the uberfish debacle yesterday, it's almost enough reason to give me pause about voting for you. That, and your latest defense posts seem rather genuine.

Overall, I have to say I'm not impressed with our top lynch candidates here. Two of my top suspects are currently in the bottom three of the tallies, so let's do something about that, shall we?

Catwalk

Maybe it will tell me if Catwalk really is a 'Wolf. At the very least it's a better option than zakalwe and Jkaen.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Roland, this is one of your best posts of the game, even if you do miss the mark on me a bit. I'll respond in brief.

Also, with regards to zakalwe I have to agree I think you and Twinkletoes are being a bit paranoid. Maybe I'm just too confident in my read on zakalwe, but I'm not seeing him as a 'Wolf. I do see some of the things both of you have mentioned, but they haven't been big enough to really stand out for long to me - most of passing interest. I suppose it's worth keeping an eye on, though. I've already said zakalwe stands the best chance at fooling me into thinking he's a Villager if he's actually a 'Wolf, and I meant it - I wouldn't have said that if I thought even for a moment he was a 'Wolf. I wouldn't give him the satisfaction.

Zakalwe reminds me, 100%, of his performance in WW4. The only thing that worries me about this is that it reminds me of a time when we were on opposite sides. But ultimately, he's simply not worth much more discussion, at least not now when we have several players worth spending a day 2 "red flag" lynch.

Shifting gears, I can't help but get the feeling MNG isn't trying very hard. It's like he's doing his best to simply skim along, staying just far enough under the radar to not get eaten or lynched. It reminds me of Lewwyn's play in WW2 where he ultimately stated his goal was to stay alive. I expect that sort of behavior from Lewwyn, but not from MNG. Is anyone else getting the same vibe, or am I just being paranoid?

I'm pretty sure it comes from paranoia. I won't take it too much to heart, though, since we both know paranoia comes naturally to you. For what it's worth, your paranoia makes me more certain that you are innocent. I just wish it wasn't directed at me

Everyone keeps talking like they know who the Vigilante is. Am I the only one who has no freaking clue?! For that matter, if I was the Vigilante and someone called me out on it I'd be pretty pissed at having my cover blown. At this point with the 'Wolves still being at full strength (Devil, Role Blocker, and Double-Voter) I can't see any possible reason why we'd want to oust anyone. It just seems to me like we'd be throwing away a confirmed Villager for hardly any gain, but maybe I'm missing something.

No, you're not alone. I don't have any idea who the vigilante is!

[Mr. Nice Guy]

One question before I go for the dinner/bedtime routines.*

I continue to be the only person voting for Sareln. His responses haven't really satisfied me, and it seems Roland and zak are also not satisfied. (Is that a correct analysis?) .. Why is that? Can someone defend Sareln enough for me to vote for one of my other suspects?

*I may jump in and out in the next 4 hours but (hopefully) will have catching up to do come 9pm

[Erebus]

I have to head out for the night, but I might be back later.

As I said in later posts Roland, that realization came to me. That it'd be stupid to out a power role even if it meant saving me from the block.

This is my second forum based Werewolf game and I'm still learning, and at least I caught myself before I made that mistake. As I said before, I'm probably gonna hang for it, so be it.



Perhaps I overreact/got frantic. Before Scooter/Sareln, I had what I believe was two innocents and a wolf on me (I now believe 2 innocents, 2 wolves, and a neutral). However I know Zakalwe Bandwagon power and you seeming to turn against me I felt the need to defend myself.

[Roland]

This is my second forum based Werewolf game and I'm still learning, and at least I caught myself before I made that mistake. As I said before, I'm probably gonna hang for it, so be it.

Perhaps I overreact/got frantic.

As I see it, there's really only two ways to read this latest event: you're a newbie 'Wolf who got caught with his pants down, and is going to hang for it, or you're a newbie Villager who almost F-ed up royally and is trying like mad to not only not provide the 'Wolves with more info, but also save yourself from the backlash of your mistakes. At this moment I'm inclined to think the latter (if only very slightly), so that's why I'm shifting my focus to one of my top suspects - and also one of the ones who's helped to initiate not one, but two bandwagons.

Zakalwe, I ask that you take a moment and consider this point, seeing as how you're the other one - and you are (especially now) inexorably linked. What's your take on Erebus' latest reactions? I know you're in bed, but seeing as how when you wake up I'll probably be in bed myself I wanted to directly call out for your opinions so it wouldn't get lost in the shuffle.