Werewolf 7 game thread

[Injera]

Well, I guess this is the worst possible start.

In a sense, it might even be good for the village if people stop listening to me for a while, because it will force the wolves to work harder to come up with their own theories. Maybe I should focus more exclusively on identifying villagers for now, so I don't give the wolves an opportunity to hide in my wake.
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Does anybody have any opinions on this? Should I instead change tacks and go on an aggressive rampage, so we can see how people react?

I don't know if "aggressive rampage" is the right way, but it seems to me there's probably some wolves taking harbor in your votes, so being a bit more fluid in your voting could be a good thing.

1. Why exactly do you think I am guilty? I would like this to be answered by someone other than Meiz - preferably one of the "village leaders" like Serdoa or Ichabod - the only two people that I really fully trust to be innocent. Zakalwe and Roland are sort of on the fringe of that in my mind, so I'd entertain that too.

I would really like to hear the answers to this as well. I would also like to hear from the voters who switched on to scooter why they weren't interested in joining the vote on Catwalk, who was the second highest target.

1. I have this theory that Jkaen is a werewolf who is genuinely MIA. This would give a tiny bit of reason why we've having such trouble finding wolves - maybe we're only talking to 3 of them. However, we should NOT lynch him today.

Exactly; until he shows up there's no real point worrying about him. If he doesn't show up Day 3 he'll be mod-killed and we'll know.

[scooter]

But to answer the question of why I have been thinking you may be guilty, Scooter: The voting record shows you joining a bandwagon on both Uberfish and Erebus at what seems like strategic moments, helping them get going. When you voted for Uberfish on day 1, I have to say I agree with Meiz that you were really just rehashing the arguments that others had already made. Nothing wrong with leaning on others, but you could have said that you just agreed with what the others said. I thought you might be a wolf who wanted to give the bandwagon an extra big shove by restating and emphasizing the reasons for suspecting him.

I feel like this is one of those things that's gotten repeated enough times that it's believed to be true, however I still and always have strongly disagreed that I was just rehashing. Go back and read this whole post:

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=230

Note a few things:

1. "It may not be shocking necessarily" - referring to the fact that I was voting Uberfish. That comment is because I had already lashed at uberfish once or twice before then, so it shocked exactly no one that I was finally going to vote for him, despite the fact that a few had voted for him already.

2. I drew pretty heavily on personal experience with him... I'm PRETTY sure that I'm the only one here who has ever played wolf with him twice, and I think that's valid experience to draw on - and certainly not rehashing.

3. Can you see my frustrations that I took out on Meiz, when he looked at this post and seriously said it was low content? Honestly, if this post is low content, then why bother trying?

So that's my point here - I feel like it's been repeated so many times that it's assumed to be true, but there's not much truth to it IMO. I don't know, judge for yourself. I mean I won't lie, I've had several stretches of quietness and NOT all that helpfulness (again, mostly out of my control), but the uberfish allegation has always seemed unfair to me.

[scooter]

Question for Roland and Twinkletoes:

Why did you guys vote for Catwalk, stick with it for awhile, and then jump to me at the last second just because Serdoa did it, while neither of you ever expressed any real suspicion of me before that moment?

[zakalwe]

I'm not saying it's necessarily very fair criticism, I'm just saying I had the same thought as Meiz about that post. Particularly the way you rehashed the three ways in which you could react to Uberfish, which was a point brought up by Ichabod and already repeated once by me. That did stand out (as repetitive, if nothing else).

Also, I forgot to mention my initial reason for suspecting you, which was your reaction to Uberfish, stating that his post was an obvious joke. Again, not saying it's a stellar argument, but I did find it suspicious. But I believe several others also thought it was an obvious joke; Roland, Meiz, Jkaen, and Injera, and maybe others too? Given that so many people didn't take Uberfish seriously, I guess I'm now less inclined to see it as a reliable indicator for anything. Uberfish said the same thing himself.

[Injera]

As I touched upon in my night-time post, I also believe the current situation may very well be that the wolves are simply laying low and the active villagers are using the resulting excess of rope to hang themselves.

One thing that has me thinking right now is that both (assuming Lewwyn was eaten) of the the wolf victims were folks who were laying pretty low. This makes sense; they've targeted villagers who were quiet in search of power roles. Here's the the thing, though: what lets them differentiate MNG from, say, a TT, Sareln? Or Ichabod or scooter? Either they got really lucky last night, or there's some wolves in there that made their choice easier.

[zakalwe]

I'm PRETTY sure that I'm the only one here who has ever played wolf with him twice, and I think that's valid experience to draw on - and certainly not rehashing.

Is it true though, or are you misremembering? Isn't WW2 the only time you played as a wolf with him? In WW1, he was a wolf, but you didn't play. In WW3, you were a wolf, but he was a villager. In WW5, he was a wolf, but you didn't play.

One thing that has me thinking right now is that both (assuming Lewwyn was eaten) of the the wolf victims were folks who were laying pretty low. This makes sense; they've targeted villagers who were quiet in search of power roles. Here's the the thing, though: what lets them differentiate MNG from, say, a TT, Sareln? Or Ichabod or scooter? Either they got really lucky last night, or there's some wolves in there that made their choice easier.

Good point.

[scooter]

Here's the the thing, though: what lets them differentiate MNG from, say, a TT, Sareln? Or Ichabod or scooter? Either they got really lucky last night, or there's some wolves in there that made their choice easier.

This is the other thing I was wanting to address. Why MNG?? He wasn't exactly a highly trusted villager, so it only seems logical if they had some degree of confidence that he might be the baner. A previous scry is possible as well, but IMO, role-blocking the baner and letting him live seems a bit more logical to me, but maybe I'm nuts there.

But really, I haven't seen any hints of MNG being baner (admittedly I haven't been looking, but did anyone see that coming??)... Has anyone had any theories for who seemed like a baner? I guess I figure if anyone had a serious guess at the baner and that person is still alive, it could be a sign, as the wolves surely would be more thorough than the rest of us. I've had no idea ever honestly, but if someone does, it'd be useful info.

[scooter]

Is it true though, or are you misremembering? Isn't WW2 the only time you played as a wolf with him? In WW1, he was a wolf, but you didn't play. In WW3, you were a wolf, but he was a villager.

Uberfish wasn't a werewolf in WW3? I thought he was?

[scooter]

Uberfish wasn't a werewolf in WW3? I thought he was?

Checked. I was wrong actually - we ATE Uberfish in WW3. So scratch that comment of mine. I have read every game he's participated in, and I guess his frequency of being werewolf made me mis-remember.

[zakalwe]

1. "It may not be shocking necessarily" - referring to the fact that I was voting Uberfish. That comment is because I had already lashed at uberfish once or twice before then, so it shocked exactly no one that I was finally going to vote for him, despite the fact that a few had voted for him already.

I went back now and reread your posts from day 1. In my mind, the only thing you say to Uberfish that can be construed as negative is that you ask him "Ever consider that the wolves mostly ignored your post?". In that post, you implied that you thought Uberfish was playing badly, but you didn't say you suspected him of being a wolf.

When I read "It may not be shocking necessarily" I thought you meant that it should (for some reason) be unsurprising that you decided to join a new bandwagon. I did not have the impression that you were previously suspecting Uberfish, and it seemed like quite a turnaround.

So that's why it comes off as suspicious to me; it seems like you may have sensed a Zakalwe bandwagon ™ forming against an innocent villager, and quickly ditched your previous "suspects" in order to give it a proper shove.