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i'm pulling this out of the existing thread since that one is so long already. please understand that i'm asking so that i can learn, i'm not trying to be argumentative or start flame wars. i 100% agree that certain kids who i shall not name here go WAY overboard, post too much, and have nothing useful to say even the first time.
but i see comments in the long thread here like "Serious, really...I tried to follow those threads and have fun comparing them and I get to see lots of spam from him...plus other lurkers 'wisdom' and even spoiler info...it makes following those thread a pain, which is very sad"
i'm going to be very vague here, to err on the side of caution as far as spoilers. in one of the threads on CFC today, i saw a post that read to me as though the author wasn't familiar with the code for how the game does a particular thing. i do not know this poster personally, i've never talked to him, but i've read a lot of his posts and the impression i have is that he likes to learn more about things that he doesn't know, and that there's not a lot about this game that he doesn't know. oops i might be giving away who it is there, but maybe not, that applies to a lot of you.
anyway, i posted my understanding of the formula, based on what i've read a bunch of times and my observations in the games, figuring it might help that team understand what happened, and that it might help them make future decisions.
my question is ... if we assume my understanding there was correct (perhaps i was wrong, but for now let's assume i wasn't), is even that sort of post considered rude and an intrusion, and i should just read but not type?
i very much enjoy reading those threads and i'd hate to contribute to anything that made you feel you have to move them behind closed doors to get away from the annoyances is all. so i'm looking for some guidance.
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since you quoted my post, I shall reply here...what is merely my personal feeling. There is no official code of proper behaviour.
Generally, a SG should be mainly about the game played. And mainly by and from people who participate in that game. Sometimes those players would post a question and, of course, anyone including lurkers could make comments. It also depends on how well people know each other. If, let's say I would make some lurker comment in a thread started by Greebley, that would be perfectly fine. However, a thread started by Sullla would be different for me , as I have yet to play a game with him.
It also depends on the overall number of comments. For the current set of 4 SG's, it has gone to the level, where there are too many lurkers comments to be able to follow the thread properly. It's even hard to tell who is playing the actual game.
At the very least, one should respect that the game is a sort of a competition and not crosspost in those threads.
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KMad Wrote:i 100% agree that certain kids who i shall not name here go WAY overboard, post too much, and have nothing useful to say even the first time
Before encountering said young kid, I would have said all comments from lurkers are welcome in SGs I'm involved in, as it shows people are getting something out of what you are doing.
As long as your comment is relevant and you limit the amount you post I think it is fine.
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I'm not exactly a senior member here, but with the exception of said kid I tend to think comments are fine. Just use the "lurkers comment" line and either state your feelings on the game or ask a question. As far as actual input, I'd say it's fine to answer our questions (obviously) or to correct us (politely) if we're definitely wrong about something, but otherwise advice probably isn't warranted.
As to the original question about your specific understanding of an in-game formula - why not just use a PM and therefore avoid any sort of potential misunderstanding?
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KMad Wrote:... in one of the threads on CFC today, i saw a post that read to me as though the author wasn't familiar with the code for how the game does a particular thing ...
... i posted my understanding of the formula, based on what i've read a bunch of times and my observations in the games, figuring it might help that team understand what happened, and that it might help them make future decisions.
my question is ... if we assume my understanding there was correct (perhaps i was wrong, but for now let's assume i wasn't), is even that sort of post considered rude and an intrusion, and i should just read but not type?
i very much enjoy reading those threads and i'd hate to contribute to anything that made you feel you have to move them behind closed doors to get away from the annoyances is all. so i'm looking for some guidance. I typically lurk games of people that I have played with so take what I way with a grain of salt. My view is that if someone is asking a question or struggling with the inner workings of how a game works (ie tech rates and known tech bonus) then I feel free to post my understanding of how it works.
If the question is pivotal to the game (ie the original culture crushers were struggling with how to pull the game off) I sit back and laugh at or cheer on their attempts without any comments from me.
If they are fighting a modern war and are discussing various options, I might chime in with a suggestion (ie my current game, I had 10 modern armour facing 10 city fortifed mech infantry and it was going to be a blood bath to take that city. Well, one well placed tactical nuke later and it was a cake walk).
One thing that I do like is lurkers chiming in and saying that they are lurking and enjoying the game - maybe commenting on one particularly brilliant or stupid bit of play (ie that move of your xxx to yyy was the best smoke that I have seen this week!). That sort of thing really adds value to the players. Most players play for themselves, their team and the audience at large.
Does that help?
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Hi,
personally, I like lurker comments in my SGs, even if they are only limited to "great game!/stupid mistake!" without offering any advice. I get only annoyed if people start to spam the thread without offering any real content, or if they post spoiler information. I think I'm in the same camp as Ruff_Hi here.
I'm not a huge fan of PMs. I feel if there's a need to point out something to one of the players, for example a misunderstanding regarding a game mechanic, it's very likely the other players would benefit from the correct knowledge too, so I'd post this information openly in the thread instead of sending a PM.
Regarding Swein, he posts quite often, true. I haven't read the SG forum for quite a while, so I don't know how much he really posts, but if it's really that annoying: Has anyone actually asked him to reduce his number of posts? He doesn't sound totally insensible to me.
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Does anybody else see the irony in this? Here we are begging for an epic/event from Sirian, who does not respond (for good reasons of his own, I am sure) and we're ignoring a kid who is just as excited about RB events (for good reasons of our own, I'm sure). 
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Kylearan, he has been asked to stop spamming our SG thread by Quack. Worked for a while until he started again. He copied whole posts including massive images and quoted them...made the whole thread a big problem to read.
I have told him off again, but he doesn't get the point. yes, he is enthusiastic, but if he would have some sense, he would start his own SG (which we asked him to do). The issue is that he posts absolute irrelevant stuff...
I mean, do I need someone to tell me how he fought as Alex (or whoever) on noble in game xyz and beat him under certain circumstances in our SG on monarch with no GP variant? I can't see the relevance. He thinks that RB players need his wisdom advise so we can improve our game...
maybe you didn't follow the threads for a while...I have come to a point where all I think is STFU, Swein...but who would want to get banned just because of an enthusiatic kid...(sometimes I actually think he is not a kid, but some rather mature guy who is out to irritate others, like a retired player who just wants to have fun seeing others see red)
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Hmm, the appearance of Swein coincided with the disappearence of Sirian. Coincidence? I think not. Has anyone seen them both in the same room?
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sooooo Wrote:Hmm, the appearance of Swein coincided with the disappearence of Sirian. Coincidence? I think not. Has anyone seen them both in the same room?
I was just thinking the exact same thing! 
Maybe, if we follow all his sometimes weird advice, we will win the games in an unusual, Sirian-style fashion ... 
I also don't think he is that young (Sulla mentioned the age 12) judging from his posts.
At the moment I dont mind him as long as he doesn't do anyhthing spoilerish in the ongoing RB SG competition.
Anyway, I normally just delurk to congratulate the team on their success or the honorable defeat.
I also dont mind lurkers in games I play, as I am not that pro and happy for all well-intended advice.
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