WW11 - Civilization

[novice]

I'm also up for lynching MJW for a combination of reasons, one of which is his profile camping nonsense. Using invisible mode as an argument is the same thing, MJW.

[slowcheetah]

4th and still slowcheetah.Reason: His first vote vs me. He later claimed it for RP-reasosn but sorry he is Aztek so nobody shares his religion. I rather think that he get told by his buddies that rowain is an easy target who usually gets lynched before day3 anyway.

About the don't kill newbies: Plain simple It is idotic to not vote for someone you think a wolf just because he is a new player. A wolf is a wol. He might even have some special powers that wreak havoc in the village (jkaens power and my own from last game come to mind). Not killing sunrise in WW2 (as Selrahc wished) allowed the seer sunrise to scan the wolf uberfish. While it was good for the village that time it shows the dangers to have pity for your foes.

slowcheetah

Why wouldn't it be for roleplay reasons? I didn't list any proper arguments at all, hell as far as I'm aware you hadn't even posted in the thread yet. Someone, I believe it was Ichabod, said that people should start voting randomly to try and stir up some dust. I picked Charlemagne because I always had religious problems with him in single player.

Even if I had heard you were an easy lynch, I don't believe people here are dumb enough to start voting for someone else for completely spurious reasoning. I haven't come back to you at all since then because I thought other people were more suspicious, in fact I haven't though about you much at all because you haven't been particularly visible. Your reasoning for voting for me seems to be entirely grudge based motivated by past experiences playing werewolf, rather than a thorough analysis of what's gone on. See Meiz's posts for a more plausible (if still wrong) reason to vote for me.

Elsewhere in the thread it seems like it is a two horse race, to be honest I would prefer to keep my vote on Zakalwe, I don't have a read on him yet, and something seems off about his easy vote for Tasunke. Although maybe he was rushed and just wanted to save Jkaen? However, I am actually going to join Zakalwe in his vote, because if Tasunke is innocent then not much has changed, maybe shitting bull got it wrong or maybe he is playing a wolf. However, If Tasunke is guilty a late bandwagonjumping Zakalwe seems to indicate innocence, and I can direct my attention elsewhere.

Tasunke

[Catwalk]

The vote split is pretty horrible, and will guarantee us a mislynch. Probably without learning much from it. The weaker the majority vote is, the more easily wolves can avoid leaving clues (I think).

Gaspar, I might bite on the scooter vote if you do write that essay. I don't have much to contribute to the discussion, just voicing that I'm around and undecided since he was raving up and down walls about lemmings and we're running short on time.

[novice]

About JKaen, I believe his claim. Saying the claimed abilities are unbalancing, as MJW did, is ludicrous. We don't know the role setup, Uberfish would have no problem balancing in the claimed french abilities.

[scooter]

Ok this vote on me is silly. The reasoning is basically that I've had a lack of conviction? How about it's becuase I DON'T HAVE A CHEAT SHEET THIS TIME so for once I have no freaking clue who is who. This idea that I was the voice of reason in the one game I got killed is "convenient" memory and just is NOT true. The reason I came across as obviously villager was in that game was NOT becuase I was some mystical voice of reason, but it was because I figured I had nothing to lose being a villager that time so I boldly and blatantly campaiged for mayor with complete disregard to my personal safety. That seemed like such a bizarre move for a wolf to make that everyone just assumed I was villager and they were right. So obvious that the wolves just killed me the first night. The fact that that is getting twisted into "scooter was voice of reason as villager and he seems confused now therefore WOLF" is utterly lazy and completely inaccurate. I'm especially raising my eyebrows to see Gaspar whiffing on this so badly since he played wolf with me in my last game. So let's be done with that ok? Alright? Ok, moving on.

The vote on Tasunke is stupid, such an "easy" vote. Tasunke is the kind of player wolves LOVE to put votes on because he's given them so much material that it's not "suspicious" to mislynch him. Like Cyneheard, he's done so many bizarre things that I can't imagine a wolf would be THAT careless. Come on guys, learn from history here.

I'm starting to fear my vote on Jkaen too sadly. This Jkaen/Tasunke FEELS like a two villager vote.

Also, can someone give me the simple version of what JKaen is claiming about his role? I can't keep it straight with all of MJW's ramblings and the constantly changing story and I don't have the time/patience to read every bit of it. I'm about ready to move off my JKaen vote, but I'd like this clarified before I do that.

[Ichabod]

God, Ichabod. Seriously?

WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR EVERYONE TO REALIZE I PLAY THE SAME WAY EVERY DAMN GAME? My votes bounce around because there's like maybe 3 of us who actually have to courage to put our necks out there to make something happen. If I sit around and play passively, we'll definitely lose because most of you are frigging lemmings whose werewolf play basically is this:

Player A: Statement
Player B: Counter-statement
Player A: Slightly contradictory statement.
Player B: WOLF WOLF WOLF
All rest of players: Oh yes, Player A misspoke, he is therefore a wolf.
Lynch happens - Player A is innocent.
All rest of players: Learn nothing.

Newsflash - Innocent players make stupid mistakes as often or more often as wolves. The power roles exist as much for wolf hunting as they do for giving innocent players something to hide that they can then screw up about.

Newsflash 2 - I hope all my arguments gain traction, but not necessarily because I want the player I'm voting for lynched. Sometimes I'm trying to learn something from how others react. As it turns out, many other players do this but nobody ever seems to be able to accept the behavior as normal when someone else does it.

In this instance, the fact that I think Jkaen is telling the truth is only reinforced by the fact that I think its pretty flipping obvious that MJW is clearly now trying to railroad this dogpile through because he will gain something from the arrangement. MJW is a notorious liar in these games and I do not trust him for one second. So the fact that Jkaen seemed panicky and sincere balanced with the fact that MJW lies a lot makes it pretty obvious to me that Jkaen is innocent.

I'm not writing an essay on scooter - it comes to gut feel. If I have to vote Tasunke to save us from MJW, I'll do it. But I'd rather we picked someone I think has a chance to be a NAP member. Its a calculated risk as a innocent scooter could be valuable. But clearly the rest of you are too pigheaded for that and I'm just going to have to swap off to Tasunke. But at the moment, I'm going to stand alone and try and shepherd you into looking at the situation.

Why, oh wise Ichabod, do you believe so fervently that scooter is innocent?

I don't understand why are you saying most of these things, Gaspar. I don't think I said anything to make people get mad, not to you and neither to Lewwyn.

You didn't say any of those things about Jkaen when you switched your vote. And I said the things about your voting pattern as a general argument, it was the whole group of votes, not a single vote. And I don't agree with all this arguments about X player is more valuable than Y, since I find them to be offensive.

I didn't say I believed scooter was fervently innocent. I said he wasn't suspicious to me and that, coupled with the fact that he's unlikely to get lynched, is what made your vote suspicious. This is an unfair statement.

[novice]

@scooter: JKaen claims the same ability MJW did. If the other person dies for whatever reason, they gain immunity to one night kill.

[scooter]

@scooter: JKaen claims the same ability MJW did. If the other person dies for whatever reason, they gain immunity to one night kill.

Well, the wolves are never going to night-kill MJW if he's a villager, so I don't care if he gets night-kill immunity.

Is it too late for a Selrahc vote? He's contributed basically zero and all his votes have been "safe" and no one seems interested in calling him on it. Selrahc is a very experienced player - no doubt in my mind at all that he could be more helpful if he wanted to, but he's choosing not to. That screams wolf to me.

[Selrahc]

I'm starting to fear my vote on Jkaen too sadly. This Jkaen/Tasunke FEELS like a two villager vote.

Whenever people start talking like this, I get suspicious. It's easy to be a little prescient if you're a wolf who knows the truth. Scooter here looks like he is trying to distance himself from a lynch he knows will be bad, so people won't be able to pin it on him.

Also, can someone give me the simple version of what JKaen is claiming about his role?

JKaen says he gets a free nightkill immunity if MJW dies.
MJW says he gets a free nightkill immunity if JKaen dies.
No special win conditions.

*Presses preview button*

Is it too late for a Selrahc vote?

Well now my first paragraph is going to look like a reprisal. Blargh. :neenernee

[Meiz]

Last post from the bed and then it's zzzz. Not nearly enough convinced on slowcheetah, but still finding it strange how hard it is to get anyone vote against him, or even commenting. I feel like the first days vote should not be used against the ones who are talking. Therefore I'm going to to put my vote on Sareln. Reason found from my previous posts...