WW11 - Civilization

[scooter]

What I was pinpointing is that scooter was calling on Rowain from switching away from him near the deadline. That's awkward. The change itself was suspicious (especially because the vote went to MJW), but scooter calling Rowain on it because he vote off him... It's like he didn't care he was being voted.

I didn't call him on it at the deadline, I called him on it after the smoke cleared. Although honestly in the minutes leading up to the deadline I was feeling pretty apathetic about being lynched because I was pretty annoyed at the way things went.

So Rowain, why DID you swap away from me? You said it was for the meta-gamey stuff MJW was doing but no one throws down a protest vote with 2 minutes left on the clock - you do that at the start of the next day.

[scooter]

And I don't think scooter was out of danger near the end of the day. Not with the constant late switches. He was pretty high up there, at least from what I can gather from the vote tally and vote order.

This interaction sound very strange, almost fake.

Nope I don't think I was either. That's why I left that "last words" post because I figured my chance of getting lynched was pretty good, so I wanted something for people to be able to read clearly when they saw I was a villager. I almost think it would have been more useful for me to be lynched than Jkaen because I've left behind a much more clear trail for people to learn from.

As for the interaction sounding fake... I don't know what to make of it. I've been thinking about this the last hour or so. I truly don't understand why, if Rowain was a werewolf, why he'd care if it was me or Jkaen lynched. The only thing I can think is my "last words" post nailed things pretty accurately and people would realize that if I turned up a dead villager and Rowain figured a dead Jkaen would be less helpful? I don't know. And if Rowain's a villager and he truly thought I was guilty, why didn't he stick with it when he could have influenced it? Sure +1 wouldn't have lynched me, but at the time he didn't know that. In theory anyways. Sorry, this is ramble-ish but I'm trying to make sense of it too.

Basically, if I assume Rowain == werewolf, his actions don't make sense. If I assume Rowain == villager, his actions don't make sense either. So um... I don't know what to think.

And I want to make a question to Novice, Gaspar and Zakalwe. You voted (suspected) pretty similar one to each other. So, what do you have to say about each other?

I'd like to see this answered too. None of them have done anything to make me think innocent.

[zakalwe]

And I want to make a question to Novice, Gaspar and Zakalwe. You voted (suspected) pretty similar one to each other. So, what do you have to say about each other?

I don't really have much to say about either of them. They both did some minor things that might be suspicious, but for now I'm happy to vote with them if we can agree on a target. I don't think anyone of us are dumb enough to trust the others, but it's also a matter of keeping your paranoia in check so that you can actually find people to work with. I could certainly understand if you suspect one (or more?) of us, if you're innocent, since we all piled on to you at one point yesterday. I would appreciate a more specific accusation, though. A loose question like that, directed at all three of us, seems more like something a wolf Ichabod might say in order to break up a powerful voting block.

Why aren't you voting for anyone? It's only day 2, and like Lewwyn says, there are plenty of good targets to choose from. No reason to hold back.

[Gaspar]

And I want to make a question to Novice, Gaspar and Zakalwe. You voted (suspected) pretty similar one to each other. So, what do you have to say about each other?

This is a pretty odd question. I certainly don't feel as though the three of us have suddenly become fast friends this game. I like and respect them both greatly as members of the RB community but generally think they both get too much of a free pass in these games. Novice has already stated I basically read null for him and I have already expressed the same issue. Zakalwe I basically start at assuming wolf and then let him work his way to the innocent camp. I do that because I think he's too good at herding cats to be left unchecked and few of the other "respected voices" seem willing to do so.

In a more direct response to the question - it neither bothers nor encourages me when we see the same targets. If they're NAP members then we're probably going to need a more smoking gun to get the votes on them anyway so I'm happy enough to go after other targets for the time being.

Honestly, for as much as they're often a vote bloc they're also two very different kettles of fish. novice is insightful but he's also not a cat-herder. So an evil zak is more dangerous to the village as a whole but also easier to catch because he talks a lot more. That's usually why I try to jump on novice early - he's like smoke so you have to take any opportunity to catch him that you have.

At the moment I lean village on zakalwe and maintain null on novice. But right now I think there are plenty better targets. I'm trying to keep an open mind on scooter though I think his tone has become more exasperated wolf as the pressure has mounted. This I recognize since its the tone I've most often seen from him. But with no mechanism for ending days early I also don't want to see 72 hours of a dogpile on him.

I'd particularly like to ask Ichabod why he finds himself agreeing with scooter so much this game, but I know I'm 12 hours or more from getting any answers from him. The Euro's don't especially interest me at this point in time but I'll place a vote on Catwalk because I do still find him a bit curious this time around.

[Meiz]

Here's my current top suspects:

What!? You're saying those bastards decided to kill me and drown the hours spent on reading the thread down the toilet

[Catwalk]

Gaspar, feel free to elaborate on your suspicions if there's something you want me to address. I want to put a vote on Tasunke, as I don't buy the newbie act. It's far too eager, even after cautioned about it. It reads to me like he's actively trying to look like a harmless and confused newbie, much like the descriptions I've read of pling's first game.

I still find the early abundance of fluff from novice suspicious. I don't know what to make of Rowain's vote switch, I'm not sure if the phone argument holds up. He was obviously reading the thread, so he'd know that there were no votes on MJW at the time and how late it was. The only reason I can think of for him switching like that would be a somewhat panicky attempt to protect scooter or Tasunke. scooter bringing this up as well furtheleads me towards Tasunke for now. I know this is skirting close to wolf set theory, so I'll stick with my main argument against Tasunke and suggest looking closer at Rowain if Tasunke turns out to be wolf. If he's not a wolf, I'm inclined to accept Rowain's explanation that he voted out of annoyance. Either that, or scooter is cleverly bringing up the argument himself to beat others to it, in order to establish an alibi.

[Catwalk]

Another thing that puzzled me (as mentioned earlier) was the sudden discussion of suspicions that had no chance of hanging with a convincing majority, at a time where we still struggling to put enough votes on two candidates. I recall seeing Selrahc and zakalwe doing this, and would be interested in an explanation.

[Gaspar]

I think you have to take your own advice on that Catwalk. Day 1 is Day 1. You can't put too much into the lynch. The lynch only frustrates me on day 1 when I think the target is obviously innocent. While I did believe Jkaen at that point I wouldn't call him obviously innocent, so it is what it is.

Tasunke on the other hand - if he was a NAP member at this point the email would basically be all caps telling him to shut up. So more and more I find it unlikely that he's guilty but more than that, I think he's a strawman and a lot of the people still talking about him look guilty to me.

slowcheetah is a far better example of how a new scum typically plays in these games than Tasunke. Tasunke resembles your first game more than plings.

[Lewwyn]

I want post more, but I'm so drained, tired and devoid of energy. I don't have the heart right now.

[novice]

And I want to make a question to Novice, Gaspar and Zakalwe. You voted (suspected) pretty similar one to each other. So, what do you have to say about each other?

I like them too and I hope they're town.

I was hoping to see Scooter lynched not only because he was suspicious but also because Gaspar was pushing for his lynch.

Scooter's posts today do a fair job of reassuring me though, although Catwalk has a good point here:

Either that, or scooter is cleverly bringing up the argument himself to beat others to it, in order to establish an alibi.

As previously discussed Rowain being wolf would heavily implicate Scooter. So I don't know if that's something we should go for, or if that means we're deluding ourselves in suspecting Rowain.

I think I'll vote for Scooter's top suspect instead:
Selrahc