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Rowain · March 9th, 2012, 04:55

zakalwe Wrote:Too lazy to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure Gaspar mentioned 2-3 times that he wanted to pressure Novice, but couldn't do so without me. I get the (somewhat unfamiliar) feeling that my vote isn't being taken seriously.

It could be that he didn't see it wink

zakalwe · March 9th, 2012, 04:56

Actually you're right, our posts are just three minutes apart so it could be a cross-post.

zakalwe · March 9th, 2012, 05:20

Well, we can always return to Novice later, and I agree with Gaspar that Scooter is the current elephant in the room, so he would make a good lynch. But as long as we're all just flailing about anyway, I'd like to propose another lynch candidate, who has been at the back of my mind for some time. Let's look back at the final tally for day 1.

Code:
Jkaen (7) - Catwalk Cyneheard Ichabod Scooter Selrahc Tasunke*

Tasunke (5) - Jkaen Lewwyn MJW Sareln Slowcheetah

Scooter (4) - Gaspar Mardoc Novice Zakalwe

MJW (1) - Rowain

Sarelh (1) - Meiz

*Claimed double vote

I don't believe Jkaen was lynched by 6 villagers. Looking at the people who voted for Jkaen, the person that surprises me the most to see there is Ichabod. Something definitely felt off when I saw him posting that he was logging off and leaving his vote on Jkaen. It just really felt wrong, intuitively. I also think he is way too passive and spending too much time making elaborate arguments about very minor points. Yes, he comes off as very reasonable when arguing so carefully, but he is contributing little to the scum hunting. When he does contribute a read, it's frequently just a neutral analysis of someone's behavior, without really concluding whether said behavior is scummy or not. His reluctance to simply cast a vote at the start of day 2 was also mystifying. If he were a villager, he would want to pressure someone. Play styles may vary a little from game to game, but the underlying motivation should remain the same, when you're innocent. For him, even waking up to see day 2 should be a bit of a relief, and he should be eager to make the most of it, rather than shuffling his feet. It all reminds me A LOT about WW7.

I cannot really articulate any stronger evidence than the above, but I have been watching him for a while, and my gut feeling has continued to grow stronger. Since it's just day 2 anyway, I think he'd be a good lynch.

uberfish · March 9th, 2012, 05:33

Selrahc (3) - Mardoc Scooter Tasunke
Gaspar (2) - Ichabod MJW
Rowain (2) - Novice Slowcheetah
Scooter (2) - Gaspar Rowain
Catwalk (1) - Selrahc
Ichabod (1) - Zakalwe
Lewwyn (1) - Catwalk
Novice (1) - Lewwyn
Slowcheetah (1) - Cyneheard

Sareln · March 9th, 2012, 05:45

Day 1 Vote with Vote Record. Wrapped in Spoilers so folks don't see it and think it's the tally. It's late. I'll get the tally with record together for Day 2 so far and then probably turn in. Most important thing is to get most of the work done now so that we don't get a repeat of day 1 with the uncertain vote-count.

Player List:

[/SPOILER]

Sareln · March 9th, 2012, 05:53

In agreement with Uberfish's post.

Most current voting post: 633

Vote Tally

(03) Selrahc - Tasunke, Scooter, Mardoc
(02) Gaspar - MJW, Ichabod
(02) Scooter - Rowain, Gaspar
(02) Rowain - Slowcheetah, Novice
(01) Novice - Lewwyn
(01) Slowcheetah - Cyneheard
(01) Catwalk - Selrahc
(01) Lewwyn - Catwalk
(01) Ichabod - Zakalwe

Not Voting - Sareln

Vote Record:

Player List:

zakalwe · March 9th, 2012, 06:10

Nice work Sareln, but you forgot to place your own vote somewhere. wink

Sareln · March 9th, 2012, 06:12

Before I turn in. I'm looking over the vote record for day 1. What strikes me as weird is the very last vote of day 1 (that counted), MJW voting for Tasunke over JKaen (at the last minute).

This move doesn't make sense to me. MJW started the feud with JKaen, he claims that he'll get a powerup for JKaen's death. He pushes for JKaen to die with his vote towards the end of the day, but at the very end he hops off the JKaen wagon and votes for Tasunke instead. Just as he's about to fulfill his powerup goal. Is he worried that JKaen is going to turn up village and that he'll look bad for it? Or is he a wolf just trying to keep his public village kill count low? It's not like he needs to kill JKaen himself and if he's got the village already doing the deed for him, why get any blood on his own hands.

If he's got a good tally and a cheatsheet as the final minute winds down he knows what's going to happen. JKaen dies, is revealed innocent, only last minute vote switching will save him, but it'll take more than one, a cascade. So if he waits for the last moment, he can get the JKaen kill he wants (power up) without being directly blamed for it, he goes for it. After all, it's day 1, and it doesn't seem like anyone is keeping records so the only vote we'll remember is the final one.

This doesn't make sense to me if MJW is a villager. Why would a villager, who thinks highly of himself as a wolf-hunter, and will secure himself night safety from JKaen's death want to avoid having to apologize for pushing it?

I'm going to have to come back to this when I am both well-rested and completely sober, but for now; MJW.

Sareln · March 9th, 2012, 06:13

zakalwe Wrote:Nice work Sareln, but you forgot to place your own vote somewhere.

x-posted and rectified. Maybe I'm nuts, I'll revisit it in the morning. alright

Lewwyn · March 9th, 2012, 08:20

playing pool drinking beer yo!

My current top 4:

Slowcheetah
Sareln
Novice
Zak

Zak and Sareln just posted polish pass`em round votes with awesome wolf reasons. Zak, so weak yo!

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