WW11 - Civilization

[Rowain]

Uberfish in the FFH game gave all the wolves a fake name. If it was possible to get any alignment info from starting techs, I'm sure he would do the same here.

Yes but he also gave the village someone who could scan for the real names and those reveal those that were lying about there names. I'm thinking that we might have the same here and therefor ask for the technames.

Rowain strange request for starting tech names is pretty bad. I think it clearly makes no sense as there are no "evil" techs in civ4 expect for maybe the nuke techs but even those are not so bad. Also if the idea is to guess abilities from start techs that is useless. Jkaen's tech did not match his ability at all and it is unlikely that he is special.

If you so strong believe that the techs have no significance why don't you reveal yours. Afterall you have even claimed your power 3 hours in the game so I find your argument very strange.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I talk about page 70 then deal with the new posts.

Novice: Your post 692 is very strange. There is no build up to a gaspar//rowain showdown. The only way this makes any sense is if there is a good chance that ether gaspar or rowain are wolfs. This makes no sense -- they have no real connection! If I had more weight or we where more than 2 hours away from the deadline I would probably vote for you.

Rowain: Okay I understand that it is plausible for me to get lynched. It is kind of strange just to want to kill me for metagaming. I've done that all the time and the only time that it really cost me, during the day, was ww3. I should have asked you this question earlier.

Zak: Ichabod's tone is very villagerish. I think he is angry and that is hard for him as wolf; I would think. Catwalk+Jkaen where not so good so it is not strange that Ichabod would want to vote for them.

Lastly people can have good and bad points so it is not strange to have different reactions. Ichabod dumping in you with two other people does not mean much. If he wanted info for 2 people it is so easy to dump in the 3rd person from the other side.

Gaspar: Post is not a direct response to mine of course. Pretty much the only important part of my mega post is the first paragraph so everyone should read that. I've have been spelling names much better before gaspar requested it.

Saying we have "no information" just goes too far. Saying "we don't know anything" is more natural.

I'm nor Ichabod are saying Gaspar is better. Voting lurkers is probably a better idea then voting people who have done silly things. We are saying that Gaspar is acting out of character.

[zakalwe]

Catwalk (5) - Lewwyn Mardoc Selrahc Slowcheetah Cyneheard
Ichabod (3) - Catwalk Gaspar Zakalwe
Selrahc (3) - Rowain Scooter Tasunke
Rowain (2) - MJW Sareln
Scooter (1) - Novice
Gaspar (1) - Ichabod


I believe this is the correct tally. Hang in there, Catwalk. I think you're innocent, and I really don't understand how 5 villagers could think otherwise.

(My previous post was from my phone.)

[scooter]

Please everyone get off of Catwalk.

[zakalwe]

I halfway think you should just tell us at this point. You're pretty much a lock for a night kill now unless we have a baner, so is there any harm in just saying what you are? Wolves know all they need to know (target Catwalk), so might as well fill us villagers in on info that's more valuable to us than wolves. Wait til other people agree with me before telling because I want to make sure there's no downside I'm missing here.

You're missing the fact that if he claims a powerful role such as baner, the wolves will kill him because they'll figure the claim will clear him. If he doesn't fully claim, they can still hope that people will argue his "semi-claim" was a fake, and lynch him. (Just saying he has a "powerful role" *is* awfully vague, after all...) So he has already said enough, in my mind.

Anyway, who should we lynch? (Hint: not Catwalk)

[scooter]

You're missing the fact that if he claims a powerful role such as baner, the wolves will kill him because they'll figure the claim will clear him. If he doesn't fully claim, they can still hope that people will argue his "semi-claim" was a fake, and lynch him. (Just saying he has a "powerful role" *is* awfully vague, after all...) So he has already said enough, in my mind.

Anyway, who should we lynch? (Hint: not Catwalk)

Yeah I agree - you're right. Don't claim.

Selrahc, Rowain, or Gaspar are my choices in that order. I'm honestly good with any of those 3.

[zakalwe]

What's the case against Selrahc again? (Sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself.)

[Selrahc]

Yes but he also gave the village someone who could scan for the real names and those reveal those that were lying about there names. I'm thinking that we might have the same here and therefor ask for the technames.

Hmm.

Okay. That's a decent enough point. I'm still not sure what techs count as wolfy, but I guess there is a valid game motive for asking.

reasons I think ppl are voting for Catwalk

A little werewolf 101.
Wolves very rarely act in concert, and never in an overt fashion. Minor shifts are what to look for, rather than grand groupings. I've been a wolf in a few games, and watched wolves in many more, and the general order of business is to do what you'd do as a regular villager. To say that the wolves are going to vote en masse for a single subject, or push someone as a group is just lunacy because it is too high risk. If one wolf dies, they all die. And I think as a group there are no players here who'd tank their chances like that.

I'm telling you this because I'm reading you as a clueless innocent. But I would like you to remove that clueless appellation, and get to the job of finding wolves, rather than the job of mad theories.



Re:Catwalk situation.
Unvote.
When someone claims a power role at the threat of lynch, biggest mistake is to push through the lynch. Even if we don't believe him, it will probably be fine to just think about it first and possibly revisit on a later day.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Pretty much all that happened is Catwalks roleclaim and me getting pressed to showing my tech. I have to re-read catwalk's posts to see if they are consistent with a powerole. I have big doubts about that though. There is a high chance of a wolf roleblocker making you useless and 3 hours is a long time in this game.

I just have no idea what showing off my tech would do. It is a tech that fits nappy very well so there is no way it would shake the boat.

[scooter]

What's the case against Selrahc again? (Sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself.)

Just a few random observations:

1) I can't remember him saying something that seemed particularly helpful for catching a wolf. Most comments are either game theory or commenting on what other people say, but it's amazing to me we've been playing for a week and I've yet to see him make a case against someone even once. I just can't imagine villager Selrahc wouldn't have more opinions than what he's had. As it is, I have no idea who he thinks is clean or innocent, and that's amazing considering how far into the game we are.

2) This is a "feel" thing - but it FEELS like he's more interested in the occasional "in MY experience" comment and being not suspected rather than trying to help. He'll quickly point out what common werewolf/villager activity is and when someone hits a stereotype, but that's it.

3) I got some votes and THEN he pointed out something I did as suspicious. Catwalk got some votes and THEN he pointed out something Catwalk did as suspicious. That's just a little too convenient if you ask me.

That's it in a nutshell. He just hasn't felt particularly helpful and all his posts have been very "safe." Villager priority: find wolves. Wolf priority: don't get detected. His play seems to be revolving around accomplishing that wolf objective rather than the villager objective. Selrahc is certainly more experienced than most of us, so I have a hard time thinking he's a villager who is doing a better job of fulfilling the wolf objective than the villager objective.