WW11 - Civilization

[Rowain]

last post of mine is for slowcheetah

[slowcheetah]

Yeah I can see why that was so problematic. Cheers Rowain

[novice]

Players not discussed in our quicktopic:
Meiz, Mardoc, Slowcheetah, Sareln. (Sareln is mentioned once, Slowcheetah twice.)

I said in the cliff notes that Ichabod suspected Slowcheetah. More precisely he said that he hadn't paid much attention to him.

[novice]

I guess Selrahc is the roleblocker and the reason why we have this sudden reveal.

I think this is a very good observation.

What was/is the reasoning here, Rowain and Scooter?

[novice]

Starting to think Tasunke is some sort of Possessed trying desperately to get himself lynched tomorrow.

Without giving too many pointers to any possessed players out there, this would be pretty bad possessed play. Anyway, half the time the village needs to lynch their possessed, so don't let any possessed suspicions stop you from lynching someone.

[novice]

I said in the cliff notes that Ichabod suspected Slowcheetah. More precisely he said that he hadn't paid much attention to him.

Correction. I said in the cliff notes that Ichabod did not like Slowcheetah as a target.

[Rowain]

If Ichabod turns out innocent there should be a reason for the action and the one saved was Selrahc. One powerrole for wolves is rolebloker.
Even if Ichabod turns out to be wolf this might be true as his ability is weak. The result would be Selrahc lives longer and zak gets very deep cover.

[novice]

If Ichabod turns out innocent there should be a reason for the action and the one saved was Selrahc. One powerrole for wolves is rolebloker.
Even if Ichabod turns out to be wolf this might be true as his ability is weak. The result would be Selrahc lives longer and zak gets very deep cover.

Was this your theory too, Scooter?

[Rowain]

BTw what is your starting tech novice?

Another comment

Look, we lynch Ichabod, and if he's a wolf we are in *amazing* shape. We get Zakalwe and Novice as confirmed villagers and the wolves have to play baner games all night.

I see neither zak nor novice as confirmed. Although I cede that novice would be most likely innocent in that case.

[scooter]

What was/is the reasoning here, Rowain and Scooter?

Maybe Rowain is thinking something else, but basically I don't think Ichabod being guilty necessarily means Zak is a villager. Think about it. The reveal didn't come until it looked like Selrahc was going to hang. Sure he had mild pressure all day, but him emerging as the leader was a new development. What if Selrahc has a special wolf ability and they need to save him? It's a textbook wolf play - sacrifice one wolf and in return you get 1) more time for your important wolf (Selrahc) to live and 2) TONS of credibility for Zakalwe.

On top of this, Zak seeing this is still fishy to me. Usually a night kill is only carried out by 1 wolf so that a tracker would have to guess properly. So, you're telling me that all of the following is true:

1. Zakalwe = tracker
2. Zakalwe guessed correctly that Ichabod would do a kill
3. Zakalwe guessed correctly that Meiz would be a target

Now I know that he isn't necessarily guessing "Ichabod = wolf and = killer" and that he's actually just guessing "Ichabod has a night action of some sort" but still. That's incredibly lucky of him to nail all of that on night 1. So much so that it makes me suspicious. Which of these scenarios are most likely?

A: Zakalwe is a tracker. Ichabod is a werewolf. Zakalwe correctly picked Ichabod and Meiz both.
B: Zakalwe, Selrahc, and Ichabod are werewolves. Selrahc has a key power, other wolves don't matter that much. They figure they can slip through day 2, but then Selrahc looks to be the lynch candidate. So Ichabod is sacrified giving Zak cover and Selrahc time. Easily worth it - a trade I would push for if I was on the wolf team.

So that's what I'm thinking right now. Scenario A is certainly possible, but B is extremely plausible too in my opinion.

Of course this is all assuming Ichabod is a wolf. If he's not, then I don't even know.

(FYI - we did this same spiel back in WW3 when I was void-wolf. Zakalwe and I went after each other constantly in thread and I tried to get him lynched to gain cover. We won the game. Zak would definitely be familiar with this move, and Selrahc and Ichabod are both very strong werewolves so it all reeks of wolf power-play to me)