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WW11 - Civilization

Crossposted with Rowain. Basically yep same idea - mines just a fleshed-out version of Rowain's theory.
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Rowain Wrote:BTw what is your starting tech novice?

Compass.
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Thanks and do you know what Ichabods tech was?
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Scooter, why would Zak have to pick both Ichabod and Meiz?
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@scooter the tracker needs not to pick Meiz. He decides whom to follow (Ichabod) and gets as answer: You see Ichabod visiting Meiz (for example)
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Rowain Wrote:Thanks and do you know what Ichabods tech was?

I don't but he said both in this thread and in the quicktopic that it's Compass.
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The same as you claim? Thats strange.
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novice Wrote:Scooter, why would Zak have to pick both Ichabod and Meiz?

Rowain Wrote:@scooter the tracker needs not to pick Meiz. He decides whom to follow (Ichabod) and gets as answer: You see Ichabod visiting Meiz (for example)

Yeah you guys are right - my mistake. Got a little bit excited. I still think the point is a solid one though. Anyways, once the smoke clears I'd suggest that we sift through day 1 a bit to see if there's any indication Zakalwe was considering following Ichabod. By that I mean - did Zak heavily suspect Ichabod on day 1? I don't remember. If he didn't much, that probably strengthens my theory because if he didn't suspect him, no reason to follow.
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This comment/response assumes Ichabod's guilt, if he's innocent chuck this all out, as it destroys the Novice/Ichabod causality which the Zakalwe/Novice causality depends upon.

Rowain Wrote:I see neither zak nor novice as confirmed. Although I cede that novice would be most likely innocent in that case.

I'd say that if Ichabod is guilty we can clear both Zakalwe and Novice on the following points.

Novice is cleared b/c both he and Ichabod have confirmed a non-alignment-knowing mason pair between them, and pairing two wolves is just like giving them no powers each. It might be a bit meta, but I think that unless the GM really wanted to mess with role-ecology-style thinking like this, it is exceedingly unlikely to the point of being impossible that both Novice and Ichabod are wolves.

Zakalwe is cleared if Ichabod is guilty b/c it's a massive push against interest if Zakalwe is also a wolf. This is b/c a wolf-Zak knows that Ichabod is an unknown mason with Novice, so setting Ichabod up like this is going to lead inevitably to clearing Novice, and he exposes himself to your idea of a Selrahc-Zakalwe-Ichabod axis because his actions clearly saved Selrahc today. I don't think a wolf-Zak would take that deal (it's a bad one IMO) so I'm left to conclude that if Ichabod is a wolf, then both Zakalwe and Novice are cleared.
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... I have 15 pages to catch up on tongue
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