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Catwalk Wrote:I think we should take a look at who was least visible on this day. Too bad Gaspar made his ominous statement of "I will KILL anyone who doesn't want to help us hang scooter", but it might still be useful.

Where did he say that Catwalk? I'm not seeing it in the archives real quick.
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Slowcheetah was absent, as he noted. Tasunke was much quieter, but he also couldn't vote. I know I didn't add much. I'm sure other silent ones will be found.

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I was wrong? I was wrong! I was wrong.

That's disconcerting. Oh well, it's just a game, good thing Scooter dealt with it so sanguinely too.

Well, no need to panic - tomorrow is another day and we still have lots of good info to go on.
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Sareln Wrote:Where did he say that Catwalk? I'm not seeing it in the archives real quick.
He said something closer to "In fact, I'd be interested in seeing who wants to speak out against hanging scooter. Real interested". Not saying that makes him wolfish, but I think it was an unfortunate statement.
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As we have lost the past day since some people decided that we should not have any discussion at all.

So lets look who wanted us to have no discussion and who threatend anybody who defended scooter? Gaspar

Fitrst he is the first to vote for scooter:
Gaspar Wrote:I don't have a lot to say right now - I'm more than a little disheartened by zakalwe's departure - he was the only one who seemed to be on a similar wavelength to me.

MJW you're misguided as usual - I was pushing on Ichabod since basically minute one and despite scooter's constant reminding us of him and zak in WW3, werewolves very rarely beat on one another in this game. Everyone in this village would do well to go google Occam's Razor.

Anyway, I'll try and re-read the end of day 2 later, I think there are quite a few clues in there if you know where to find them.

For now, I still see no reason that scooter's innocent.

You see he claims to have been on Ichabod since minute 1 but thats not ttrue. His first vote was on Catwalk which he remained there even after a very long post talking with Ichabod. His next target also voted for in a long post is not Ichabod but Selrahc.
Here he does talk about Ichabod:
Gaspar Wrote:In the interest of avoiding doing that myself, I looked back through scooter and Ichabod's posts a bit. I think I've been maybe off base on Ichabod - not again that I'm convinced necessarily of his innocence but rather that his connection to scooter is a lot less there than I thought it was at first pass. I'll personally move Ichabod to the "I have no idea" camp right now.
His next target is then scooter . The follow 2 more posts were he talks about that maybe he could vote for Ichabod but never doing it. Example
4.5 hours before the lynch finally an Ichabod-vote:
But at this time it is absolutly save to vote Ichabod because the standing is:
uberfish Wrote:Catwalk (4) - Lewwyn Mardoc Selrahc Slowcheetah
Selrahc (3) - Rowain Scooter Tasunke
Rowain (2) - Novice Sareln
Gaspar (2) - Ichabod MJW
Ichabod (1) - Zakalwe
Lewwyn (1) - Catwalk
Scooter (1) - Gaspar

Not voting - Cyneheard

Deadline in just over 4.5 hours, results will be late

After that there is silence. In fact the next post is several hours after the lynch. Other hints (hints not proofs) a) I agree with scooter that there is at least one experienced Wolf out there. That leaves just Selrahc + Gaspar as candidates (novice is a villager, Lewwyn never was a wolf )
b) the day1 vote:
Quote:Jkaen (7*) - Catwalk Cyneheard IchabodScooter Selrahc Tasunke ???
Tasunke (5) - Jkaen Lewwyn MJW Sareln Slowcheetah
Scooter (4) - Gaspar Mardoc NoviceZakalwe
MJW (1) - Rowain(I know I'm a villager)
Sarelh (1*) - Meiz
Either tasunke is a wolf and was saved by a huge wolfpile or I would expect that one of Gaspar and Mardoc is a wolf too.
So is he a wolf that thought he places a save vote and got cought by surprise or am I as myopic as usual when it concerns Gaspar.
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Rowain Wrote:Either tasunke is a wolf and was saved by a huge wolfpile or I would expect that one of Gaspar and Mardoc is a wolf too.
So is he a wolf that thought he places a save vote and got cought by surprise or am I as myopic as usual when it concerns Gaspar.

What if Tasunke isn't a wolf and there's a wolfpile of MJW, sareln and slowcheetah. Or a combination of the 2 plus Selrahc on Jkaen. I'm not seeing Gaspar or Mardoc as wolves. I think all 4 on Scooter there might be all innocents.

Currently I'm suspicious of Selrahc, Sareln, MJW and slowcheetah.

Currently I think Myself, Gaspar, Mardoc, Rowain, Novice are innocent.

Currently Tasunke and Catwalk are in their own separate pile labelled terrible.

Wow and Cyneheard isn't even on my radar in the slightest. I caution everyone about forgetting him. Remember GES in WW3 was actually legitimately busy IRL and used it as cover as a wolf.
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(by now) I find a 3 wolf dogpile on day 1 to be extremely unlikely.

Perhaps 2 wolves are on either Jkaen or myself, but three is quite doubtful.
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I'm not going to get into a long defense partly because I fully expect the next day period to have long swaths of time where I'm defending against Rowain and MJW and at the moment I'm not interested in starting that process any earlier than necessary as arguing with those two is roughly akin to tearing my eyeballs out. But I'll say this about the Ichabod and scooter situations. The content of people's posts is a lot more relevant than where their vote happens to be sitting in the middle of the day. And I was on Ichabod quite a lot on day one, I never remotely indicated I thought he was innocent and I think my pressure there was part of what led zakalwe to scrying him.

I obviously made a mistake with scooter which I regret but I think you'll find that villagers accidentally lynch other villagers a lot more often than wolves push for lynches on other wolves. Because I don't have a cheat sheet. I promise you if I was a wolf there is no way I'd have pressured Ichabod as much as I did on day one.

I think there's almost definitely a NAPster or two in Lewwyn's list there. But that's a conversation for later.
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novice Wrote:And in the Maritime thread Ichabod repeatedly tried to lure me onto the Tasunke bandwagon. Apart from Scooter the only other logical target today is MJW. Everything MJW does and says is just plain wrong and blatantly anti-village. His only saving grace is his general erratic behaviour, but he reminds me very much of wolf MJW from WW7, where he defended me (wolf) from JKaens seer claim even after I had given up myself.
MJW's voting on day 1 and 2:
On day 1 MJW started with revealing that he will get night-kill immunity if Jkaen dies. Consequently he voted for him. At the very last second he switched from Jkaen to Tasunke contrary to his proclaimed goal.

On day 2 some time before the lynch ( after catwalks claim but well before zaks reveal) the standing was:
zakalwe Wrote:Catwalk (4) - Lewwyn Mardoc Slowcheetah Cyneheard
Selrahc (4) - Rowain Scooter Tasunke Novice
Ichabod (3) - Catwalk Gaspar Zakalwe
Gaspar (2) - Ichabod MJW
Rowain (1) - Sareln

Not voting: Selrahc
Now Selrahc switched (urged on by zakalwe) onto Ichabod making it a 4-4-4. A short time later Sareln voted for Ichabod too bringing him solidly into the lead. And now with Ichabod in the lead and in danger MJW who had been on Gaspar the whole day long fighting him switched from Gaspar to Selrahc tying it. Later Ichabod and slowcheetah followed bringing Selrahc solidly in front.

Once zakalwe revealed that he follwed Ichabod: MJW didn't budge. On contrary he agains switched to Tasunke (2 mins before time-over).
In spoiler alist of MJW's commentaries after zakalwe claiming he followed Ichabod:
MJW (ya that one) Wrote:lol

There is no way Ichabod can live though this day. :zzz: His post does seem casustic but not very angry. So I can not really argue against you.

MJW (ya that one) Wrote:Maybe you got screwed over by a redirector. I'll guess we will see when uberfish shows up. Maybe your both wolfs.

MJW (ya that one) Wrote:I'm pretty sure Gaspar is guilty. If ichabod is a wolf then his actions make no sense. So I think he had to be screwed over by a special power. I can not agrue that seriously though because there is just no way ichabod can live.

MJW (ya that one) Wrote:I think you probably didn't. I guess you got redirected somehow.

MJW (ya that one) Wrote:It's crazy now but I really think Ichabod is not guilty. So I half to come up with something crazy.

If anyone wants to help Ichabod this is your last shoot.

MJW (ya that one) Wrote:Tasunke even though its uselfess.
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