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WW11 - Civilization

Out of curiosity, I wonder what the group thinks about the three lurkers. If you had to name one of Cyneheard, slowcheetah and Sareln as a NAP member, which would you pick?
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Gaspar Wrote:I obviously made a mistake with scooter which I regret but I think you'll find that villagers accidentally lynch other villagers a lot more often than wolves push for lynches on other wolves.
I agree with that but then I'm also reminded about the scooter-zakalwe pushing during WW3 so I can't discard that possibility.

But my intention was to seek inpout from others to my ideas and ideas thought of others too. We have to compensate abit for the lost 48 hours of day 3. Now is a time were you can speak about suspicions rtc without the pressure of a vote.

Gaspar Wrote:But that's a conversation for later.
Here I disagree but thats nothing new between us 2.
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At first glance cyneheard but slowcheetah is a close runner-up
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Have we ever both been on the same side? Maybe that's why we always disagree? Both times I played village before this you were a wolf and then I was a wolf 3 times and you were village in all of them. So maybe that's it?

Rowain Wrote:I agree with that but then I'm also reminded about the scooter-zakalwe pushing during WW3 so I can't discard that possibility.

I just think the scooter-zak thing is such a strawman. I know why people bring it up, since WW3 was a great trauma for all involved (I was not involved) but its noteworthy that nobody can think of any other good examples. I'm not saying it never happens. I'm saying it very rarely happens. You know as well as I do (as one who has also drawn wolf a lot) that mostly wolves just want to hide each other as much as hide themselves.


Rowain Wrote:But my intention was to seek inpout from others to my ideas and ideas thought of others too. We have to compensate abit for the lost 48 hours of day 3. Now is a time were you can speak about suspicions rtc without the pressure of a vote.


Here I disagree but thats nothing new between us 2.

You're probably right. I just hate defending when I think my play - which has been both good and bad admittedly - should mean that I'm not considered guilty at this point. But clearly the lack of discussion during day 3 (my fault as much or more than anyone else) probably means we need to get to work on figuring stuff out sooner rather than later.

Rowain Wrote:At first glance cyneheard but slowcheetah is a close runner-up

This is my problem. I can talk myself into any of them. Sareln for example had an incredibly weak reasoning for his defense of scooter (as you pointed out.) And I know as a wolf I loved to be "right" when the village lynched a villager. So being correct on an innocent lynch is not much proof of innocence in my mind. That said, I've (as usual) found myself agreeing with Sareln more often than not when he has posted this game.

I can't even think of anything Cyneheard or slowcheetah have added to make a case for. Maybe if we have a vig they should just fire a shot blindly into that crowd and see what happens. Because I can't help but feel we're never going to get actual information from them.
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Gaspar Wrote:Out of curiosity, I wonder what the group thinks about the three lurkers. If you had to name one of Cyneheard, slowcheetah and Sareln as a NAP member, which would you pick?

Slowcheetah. Slowcheetah was silent Day 1. He was silent in the first part of day 2. Picked up votes. Was suddenly loquacious. Votes dropped off. Was silent again. Silent Day 3.

I'm very, very suspicious of slowcheetah.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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I also think that one of the reasons so many people have felt innocent to me is that in fact the ones talking ARE innocent... Thus the lurkers are looking better and better to me as lynch targets.
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I'd pick Slowcheetah from the lurkers.

My wolf list:
MJW
Two out of Slowcheetah, Selrahc, Rowain, Tasunke, Cyneheard.

About the Scooter lynch: when I found such a strong case against him I decided to just go for that. Lesson learned: evaluate the case on everyone so you can pick the strongest case and reevaluate as the votes fall. Am I ever going to take the time to do that, though? I guess not. lol
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I actually hate when people do what I'm about to do but I have a few moments and suddenly feel compelled by this brief burst of agreeing with Rowain to try and add to the discussion. I'm going to try and come up with whatever I can think about each of the players remaining (I'll ignore myself as I'm hopelessly biased there by knowing my innocence.) I'll start with Rowain since I've been talking to him.

Rowain - Odd power, better for a wolf but that means nothing since we know uberfish doles out the powers, asks questions later. Has been his usual curmudgeonly self. Haven't found myself agreeing with him much. Usual penchant for wild conspiracy theories. Probably innocent.

Catwalk - Has some sort of power. Been more reasonable of late than I remember him. Haven't wanted to punch him really at all, which could be a sign of his improving play, my declining play or him being coached by a wolfpack. Probably innocent.

Tasunke - smoke Probably innocent.

Lewwyn - Who knows? There's been a drunken rampage, but he'd do that no matter what he drew. I always find him suspicious. Usual battles with Catwalk, but that's to be expected. His weird super-analysis post of Mardoc smells fishy but he's also prone to bizarre play. Complete null read.

Selrahc - Everything he's done has blended in completely. I've discounted him to large extent due to disagreeing with the players who've accused him. Has a power that would be stronger for a wolf. Was after Catwalk most of the game, which is usually a waste of time. No real read, but definitely could be guilty.

novice -Confirmed innocent.

MJW - He's been odder than usual. Dropped his usual Sareln vigilante push early - because both are NAP? His power is assumed but we don't know its exactly the same as Jkaen's - could be a lynch prevention or something totally different. I've not agreed with him at any point in the game. Really weird actions end of day 2. Definitely possible NAP.

Mardoc - Seemed very Mardocian on day 1, doubting himself and the like. Has faded more to the back since then. I've assumed innocent for a long time, but could be wrong there.

Sareln - Made courage play to go with zak and I on Ichabod on Day 2 before the tracking result, that's ballsy if wolf. Has lurked as usual. His scooter defense reeked of wolf trying to gain brownie points as we lynched a villager since it was based on such weak grounds. Definitely in the conversation for guilty.

Cyneheard - Has he been playing? Definite lurker wolf possibility.

Slowcheetah - Agree 100% with Lewwyn's read. Definitely lurker wolf possibility.

After typing all that I'm not certain I'm any closer to a good read. But I'm not kidding that I think a vig shot at one of the lurkers seems a decent idea, just so we don't waste a whole day debating someone who won't debate. If we don't have a vig, well its moot, but we usually have a vig. Of the talkers, MJW or Selrahc is probably the most likely guilty but I suppose after how wrong I was on scooter maybe I shouldn't be the one to decide.
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I agree with pretty much everything Gaspar just said. Except I think Sareln is probably innocent.

If anyone disagrees with Gaspar or me I would find that extremely interesting.
Almost a sign of independent thinking, even. wink
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Gaspar Wrote:Have we ever both been on the same side? Maybe that's why we always disagree? Both times I played village before this you were a wolf and then I was a wolf 3 times and you were village in all of them. So maybe that's it?
Maybe but does this mean we should agree here or thare you a wolf again wink

This is my problem. I can talk myself into any of them. Sareln for example had an incredibly weak reasoning for his defense of scooter (as you pointed out.) And I know as a wolf I loved to be "right" when the village lynched a villager. So being correct on an innocent lynch is not much proof of innocence in my mind. That said, I've (as usual) found myself agreeing with Sareln more often than not when he has posted this game.
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The reason I think Sareln is innocent is : He pushed Ichabod up to 5 votes and into the lead on day 2.
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