WW11 - Civilization

[Gaspar]

Certainly not trying to insult anyone with the bad company comment (in general I've enjoyed most of the interactions I've had with the remaining players, even if big meanie Selrahc thinks I'm "prickly.") The more general comment was I find that list to be scummier than the list on slowcheetah.

I also thought slowcheetah's defense sounded more like scum justifying and redirecting than MJW's.

That said, I'm still on MJW because I have a better game justification than I do for slowcheetah. But I could be talked into voting for anyone but novice at this point. Probably not Catwalk or a couple of the others I indicated I had some level of faith in, but again, even then I could be talked into it. We don't have a whole ton to go on at this point.

[Cyneheard]

Certainly not trying to insult anyone with the bad company comment (in general I've enjoyed most of the interactions I've had with the remaining players, even if big meanie Selrahc thinks I'm "prickly.") The more general comment was I find that list to be scummier than the list on slowcheetah.

I read "bad company" as meaning "scummy", no more, no less, and was trying to work through what that meant, as that mostly meant me, and I needed to grok what that meant, while trying to lay out why that wasn't necessarily the end of the world. I wasn't insulted.

[MJW (ya that one)]

My role sucks unless there are other powerrole it has a good chance of taking us from an odd number to an even number which is bad for this game.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?titl...%2C_Part_1

I thought it was best to use it as a metashield.
I think novice should lead the vote tomorrow (he should seal his vote by voting at the last second before day). No way you guys can win against 3 wolfs tomorrow. After that it is only 2 wolfs again and much more manageable. If novice guesses wrong again lynch the next person on his list-- I don't think he can go 0-4 .
It is strange that Selrahc did not attack me until today. After, I did not do anything poor for awhile.
Now to respond to specific posts:

Slowcheetah: My power would be beyond very situational into ridiculously situational. Double vig seems unlikely. In order for my role not to suck, as a wolf, the other vig would not have to be restricted . That would me scooter's role is an FU role from Uberfish and he does not to give those out; unless you count possessed.

Mardoc:
I did not push or vote Jkaen until he roleclaimed as was going to die anyway. I voted Jkaen because of a metagame reason that his roleclaim caused. I not gonna repeat myself again here. Having a confrimed villager does not matter that much because they are still going to die before the last day. So it justs takes use from odd to even.

If you are a villager and vote for me the town is screwed. You are on mine and scooter's top spot in our wolf-lists. You will get mislynched and the town will have to get a perfect from there. Not going to happen. You seem far to clam while taking a very big risk.

[Cyneheard]

Mardoc:
I did not push or vote Jkaen until he roleclaimed as was going to die anyway. I voted Jkaen because of a metagame reason that his roleclaim caused.

You're telling me that it's HIS roleclaim that triggered you wanting him dead???

Please do repeat yourself, actually, since it was hard to follow you the first time.

[Gaspar]

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*head explodes*

slowcheetah

[MJW (ya that one)]

You're telling me that it's HIS roleclaim that triggered you wanting him dead???

Please do repeat yourself, actually, since it was hard to follow you the first time.

Yes.
I thought it was unlikely that uberfish would give out 2 trigged bulletproof roles why? Well... The trigger is going to happen during the game. Ether I or Jkaen would die. Onces that happens, if the wolfs think there is a feud* they would really want to kill the other one at night. However, they would waste a nightkill and if they have a roleblocker waste him to. An almost guaranteed night-kill-block seemed overpowered to me at the time without knowing how weak power-role-wise this village was. It seems balanced now that if scooter is the only vig it would be hard to use this role to give the village an extra lynch.**

I thought due to the role's overpowered nature Jkaen was lying and there is only one plausible reason for him to do that -- he's a wolf.

This above rant does not matter if I'm I wolf because being a wolf changes everything.


*I assume there is a good chance for this, from a metagame viewpoint, because Uberfish would think Jkaen and I would feud.

**If there are no other roles both mine and Scooter's roles would have to trigger in order to give the town an extra lych.

[Lewwyn]

I have a busy afternoon, but I just want to say that today has been pretty enlightening. I will post a more lengthy post tonight, but suffice to say, I'm less convinced of MJW's guilt, more convinced of Slowcheetah's guilt, more convinced of Selrahc's guilt and more convinced of Cyneheard's guilt.

[Mardoc]

The reason that I roleclaimed is that my role sucks hard. It is very hard to trigger as Jkaen tends to stick around for a long time in these games. I would also have to live a long time and get targeted by the wolfs which is very hard as I am a good lynch target. There is a chance that it would take us from an odd number of players to an even number of players which is bad. I also thought that Jkaen had a different power then mine so he would know if killing me would be worth it if he was a villager. So roleclaiming and getting that metashield was the strongest play IMO. Everyone should try to refute my metashield rather than ignore it.

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2. As I've said before my role sucks. I would rather have the meta-shield.

Yes.
I thought it was unlikely that uberfish would give out 2 trigged bulletproof roles why? Well... The trigger is going to happen during the game. Ether I or Jkaen would die. Onces that happens, if the wolfs think there is a feud* they would really want to kill the other one at night. However, they would waste a nightkill and if they have a roleblocker waste him to. An almost guaranteed night-kill-block seemed overpowered to me at the time without knowing how weak power-role-wise this village was. It seems balanced now that if scooter is the only vig it would be hard to use this role to give the village an extra lynch.**

I thought due to the role's overpowered nature Jkaen was lying and there is only one plausible reason for him to do that -- he's a wolf.

This above rant does not matter if I'm I wolf because being a wolf changes everything.


*I assume there is a good chance for this, from a metagame viewpoint, because Uberfish would think Jkaen and I would feud.

**If there are no other roles both mine and Scooter's roles would have to trigger in order to give the town an extra lych.

Wait, which is it? Is your role overpowered, or 'sucks hard'?

I'm torn...on the one hand, your arguments seem very wrong. On the other, you seem sincere.

It has been a quiet day, so let's try something different to see what falls from the trees: Cyneheard

See you all in the morning.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Wait, which is it? Is your role overpowered, or 'sucks hard'?

I'm torn...on the one hand, your arguments seem very wrong. On the other, you seem sincere.

It has been a quiet day, so let's try something different to see what falls from the trees: Cyneheard

See you all in the morning.

I'll be clear
1. Wolf MJW-- My role suck.
2. Villager day 1 MJW + JKaen. This roles are overpowered.

[Gaspar]

I'll be clear
1. Wolf MJW-- My role suck.
2. Villager day 1 MJW + JKaen. This roles are overpowered.

Your role sucks as a wolf assuming no vig. Its mediocre with just scooter's vig. Its stronger if there's another additional "normal" vig which I think is still pretty likely. Its also strong exactly as you used it - a metagame piece.

As a villager, its a mediocre role once known. But it still provides night-kill immunity. Would have been much stronger in Jkaen's hands, as he's a far more likely wolf target than you, who never gets night killed unless you're a power role since your behavior is so often destructive to the village.