WW11 - Civilization

[Selrahc]

Maybe adding an extra day wasn't such a good move, since nothing has actually happened since then.

[Gaspar]

Maybe adding an extra day wasn't such a good move, since nothing has actually happened since then.

Yeah - I wasn't especially expecting much between the relative quiet of the day to this point and the fact that the weekends tend not to be great for chatter anyway.

The only concern really that I have is a metagame concern - one might think that if slowcheetah was a NAP member there'd be a little bit of NAPsters coming out of the woodwork to prevent the dogpile. I wouldn't necessarily argue that the lack thereof is an indication of his innocence but it is something to think about.

No great insights here, unfortunately. I can talk myself into any of the top candidates today. We could really use a stroke of luck here to break this a little bit.

[slowcheetah]

Well I seem to still be at the top, but my opinions on MJW seeming the most wolfish haven't changed.
I'm going out in a few minutes so I'll just say that I hope the village makes the right choice.

[Tasunke]

I think it makes a lot of sense that nothing has happened, it being a Friday night and what not.

Selrahc, after reviewing the evidence, 'other' than the conspiracy theory that it wasn't actually you that used your power

(but someone else under your orders), it seems that your 'vote block' ability claim seems valid.

So reviewing the evidence, assuming the likely event that your power is indeed a vote blocker and not a role blocker ...

I am now deciding to do some reasearch to see if my assessment of your 'self preservation wolf play' proved accurate.

(I have this saved on a Word document, so I am currently doing an assessement)

The "Elf Feud" was an attempt to avoid being night killed and being lynched, by publicly making

myself an inconvenient target. While ultimately being ready to vote with the wolves in a close game situation.

By immediately revealing yourself and creating a public feud... you're actually mirroring the situation precisely. In the

Elf feud the villagers really would have been better off immediately killing me, since I rigged the situation to be a wolf

by another name.

By identifying yourself and your feud mate, you might be doing the same.

I would not be averse to lynching MJW right now.

and then MJW decided to distract us immediately with these sentiments

If roles are truely random then there has to be a killer other than the NAP. Otherwise all

night kill block abilites would be out because they would be useless if given to the NAP. The nap might have a vig on there

side; so they might be able to double kill for one day.

My abilty would be hard to trigger so I don't think it is that useful. So I think the metagame issues around the abilty are

more powerful then the abilty itself.

I vote Cryneheard. How would he know that my play was foolish unless he was a member of the

NAP? He could think I am a misguided villager but then he would not want to vote for me. He would just ignore everything I

said.

Looking back over the thread there is only 2 things that need to be said. I agree with Catwalk that Tsaki's posts looks

like filler trying to bump up my post count.

I also don't take Scooter's idea seriously. I don't think I can get lyched today. There are too many players who don't post

a lot and new players. Someone is always going to just eat it the first day. I think Scooter came up with that idea before

the game started though so it does not say anything on weather or not he is a wolf.

and

This is another filler post.

Selrahc my abilty is not strong enough now to jusitfy killing Jkaen. I can live with a divided france. Because I will not

be pusing for jkaen's death unlike you I think there will be no elf feud. I have to win the game normally. Lyching Jkaen

if he is a villager does not help me at all now that I have role-claimed.

and then this

He thought about it. I don't think he would think about doing it like that normally if he

was a villager. He if was a villager he would think about killing me would for being annoying not for poor play.

If I where a NAP member my play, form cryneheard's view, may have been a clever attempt to get cover and not foolish. The

whole idea of lyching ANYONE for "OMGUS" is a poor one. I think it is poor enough that cryneheard does not belive in it and

is just trying to fill up space.

Post #MJW-1 could have easily been cross posted with Selrahc's post, with a hefty does of MJW-meta sense and an ending

paragraph full of truthiness.

Post #MJW-2 first draws attention towards myself (away from him) and then he claims that he won't be pushing for Jkaen's

death. Something that he then does a complete 180 on before the 72 hour day is over.

Post #MJW-3 he admits that his early game move is far less foolish from a wolf perspective, and I am reminded of Gaspar's

note that MJW knows how to play a power role well.

Something about power roles ... IF a wolf managed to try and kill MJW, he would have been a confirmed villager. This would

have been the BEST POSSIBLE play for this role, and I would even go so far as to think MJW would try to make his play

forward (after Jkaen died) to try and BAIT a wolf to kill him. (and reverse if Jkaen was alive and MJW had died).

However, he did none of these things. Instead, he revealed 'extremely' early- in a supposed attempt to stop an elf fued ...

while later he actively pushed for Jkaen's head. He then had the meta-confidence to admit later that it would have been a

good wolf play. Perhaps he wanted to prove (from a meta post-game perspective) that he could play well.

Now, onto Selrahc's next post.

Actually, a few more posts from MJW

Are you a native english speaker scooter? Yet means he WILL vote me. He would use the word

MAY instead.

Tasunke freaking out by spamming three posts in a row feels something like a nOObie villager would do. His posts seem to be

truthful to me. Something is off though. But I just can not justify voting him right now.

I think lewwyn and Scooter are acting in character. Scooter is being his usual thick-headed self and lewwyn willing to

aggersively guess who the wolfs are.

Cyneheard post's don't seem truthful to me. I think he is not getting angry and not attacking people. He was also willing

to conclude that Tasunke was villagerish too soon before his triple post. So I will vote Cyneheard. I

don't have any feelings of wolfishness on anyone else expect for maybe Tasunke.

Here he plays a post with 80% truth in it, but still leaves a grain of doubt towards me so that he can save me for a late-

game lynch (if he wants).
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and another MJW post

Hmmm... do you think we can work together somehow?

Another reason I don't like cyneheard is that his post pointing out that 9 people have not done anything was very half-

assed. As a former wolf I know that wolfs hurry to post something as quickly as possible; even if it something silly. The

reason why 9 people did not post is that this game took forever to get started thanks to uberfish.

here he is talking directly to Jkaen (who just voted for Ichabod), to try and get him to vote for Cyneheard instead.

I'll admit that this sort of behavior Day 1 could swing either way, but I still find this quite interesting.
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Now onto Selrahc's next post!

I have something similar. Although it isn't specifically labelled a technology.

Since it relates to my ability, I was assuming it was just fluff.



I'd agree with that. You've had some... interesting.. ideas in previous games. You're being a lot more restrained here.

Calmer Catwalk is less of a challenge to people's sanity, but it's definitely an odd change of character. Possibly it's due

to a conscious effort to lay low and avoid suspicion. Maybe it's not.


On MJW and the potential feud.
During the Elf Feud, my win condition was based around getting Arendel lynched. Night kill was no good. So what I attempted

to do(after my initial lynch attempt floundered) was push for a close wolf win, while identifying myself and my target as

probably not worth wasting a night kill on. A potential misstep I made was aggressively being non-helpful, and it almost

got the village to lynch me on a few occasions.

If MJW has been given a similar role, then I think he could be following a similar gameplan. Get the information out in the

thread early, so that no wolves kill his target and spoil his game. Then bide his time, casually pushing for a wolf win,

but doing it in a low key way. As soon as the wolf numbers hit the point that they can team up with MJW and get the kill,

then he strikes.

I would like to hear if JKaen has any insight on this situation. If he heard nothing about feuds and bonus powers, then I

think MJW is potentially a ticking time bomb.

Here he *indirectly* admits that he does not have a BTS vanilla tech, and then goes on to nudge Catwalk.

At least as far as this post, I don't see the 'hard push' for Catwalk that Selrahc claims, but I do see an attempt to at

least get his foot out there in terms of finger pointing.

Then further elaboration on his 'elf fued' analysis, under the assumption that MJW could claim victory from Jkaen's death.

As we now know that MJW doesn't 'win' with Jkaen dying, we at least know that the elf fued wasn't the typical one it was in

WW 10. As far as Selrahc's postulations ... Im not sure. I think MJW is clearly lying here that he doesn't want to see

Jkaen fall, but whether its for metal-shield + night immunity or if its because he is a wolf, and would consider a Villager

with this power to be WAY TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT ALIVE.

Personally I think the latter is more likely, due to his mentioning that two villagers to have the ability would be OP,

meaning that he thinks Jkaen having that ability would be OP (from the perspective of a wolf).
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Lets look for another Selrahc post, shall we?

Just this then: Does your role have any sort of mention of MJW? Don't give out role info on

capabilities, rewards etc., I'd just like to know if this is entirely one sided like the elf feud, which makes it more

dangerous for the village.

and

It was illegal for me as a "Lyncher", to prevent me from claiming seer and railroading my target. MJW

has proved that he doesn't have that clause on his role, lessening the odds that he has a similar role.

Minor posts, really. Possible co-wolf trying to dig up intel on Jkaen (probably not, but possible). And the second possible

co-wolf diciphering MJW's intent with his "multi-vig claim". Although its probably just Selrahc being insightful on his

own.

These posts make me think that Selrahc *could* have just been doing some co-wolf banter, although seeing that Selrahc

seemed to be the first person to put 'non OMGUS' pressure on MJW I think this is unlikely (still possible, but unlikely).
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Then here is Gaspar stirring up some panic

All kidding aside I think that the idea of MJW with power to kill multiple targets is absolutely

terrifying. If we don't get a strong read on a wolf before long I think we should lynch.

I also find this claim highly suspect, we've never had a multiple shot vig and that includes larger games. We call a player

who can kill multiple nights a wolf, not a vigilante.

MJW

Because in Soviet Russia, crazy lying ploys screw you.

Did he really misread what MJW was saying? Possible, but I'm unsure. I know I misread it, but then I'm new

Either way, it follows with 2 more votes for MJW, and then Selrahc arrives to correct everyone.

MJW isn't actually claiming to be a multi-shot vig. That's an arbitrary implausible role claim to

prove he has the *capability* to lie about role claims.

could be co-wolf, or just insightful Selrahc.
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And then here Ichabod comes along with a VERY interesting post.

Well, this argument was one of the ones that led to the only wolf lynch (Selrahc) in the only game

Mardoc played, if I remember correctly. So maybe it's some kind of selective memory.

I agree that the argument is neutral, though. In fact, what made Selrahc's argument more suspicious was the fact that he

directed it to the wolves too, trying to distance himself. Scooter didn't do it.



Zakalwe is notably way less active during the weekends. I'd expect his post count to go up during the week, though.



Anyway, I'm voting for Lewwyn. This post doesn't sound like Lewwyn to me:



Lewwyn unvoting? I'd expect him to be wanting to vote like 5 times, not needing to look back and see who is the most

suspicious. Anything holding you back?

I'm not sure about previous Ichabod play, but this alone makes Lewwyn a bit less suspicious.

Could it be a wolf-bluff for cover? Yes its possible.Its very possible. But for now I will say that it DOES make Lewwyn a

bit less suspicious, and I think this is something worth considering.

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and then MJW doing the logical and expected explanation of his vig claim (after giving Selrahc a chance to do so)

I did lie about being a muitple vig. Read my posts people.

I really don't think my style is bad. You should have been lyched the second I died in ww2 scooter. I find gaspar and

scooter to be wolfish to suggest lyching me over someone like sarlen. I also think Gaspar's idea of killing me because I am

muiltple-vig to be very weak. I don't think he is being sincere. A muiltple-vig is so strong that you would almost never

want to lych him. If you look at my record I'm pretty good at hunting wolfs.

There really is no way to justify cyneheard's post about no-one posting. I really can not take this game seriously if

cyneheard does not get killed for that. I'm not really intersted in playing or defending myself anymore.

March 6 is pretty far from now so zak not posting a lot is not too bad. In fact he would likely to be posting more if he

was a wolf to stay in the middle of the pack.

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another post from Ichabod

It's not the unvoting per se that is suspicious. Maybe I was not clear enough. It's the fact that you

didn't have another suspect to vote after your unvote (I know you voted for Tasunke in one of the following posts, but it

was due to semi-roleplay reasons, based on a post made after yours) that seemed strange to me. It didn't seem to fit with

your previous plays.

When I played as a wolf, there were two major things I looked for. First, it was difficult to find things to suspect the

other players of, since I had a cheat sheet. So, I voted way less then normal, and I sticked with the same targets for a

long time. The other thing was the need to not vote for certain players that are keen to hold a grudge. This also meant it

was difficult to place a vote.

So, when I see an agressive player holding back, I figure it may be due to this reasons. It was not the "unvote" thing that

made me suspect you, it was this reasoning.

Anyway, it's interesting to see that a big bandwagon formed after my vote. I think it was the forst vote to have a "solid

argument" backing it, so it's the perfect type of vote for a wolf to bandwagon on (due to the reasons above, for

instance).

Here is Ichabod wanting to divert some Lewwyn rage onto the bandwagoners. (as well as point a finger of suspicion towards

the voting pool).

As we now know he is a wolf, he was possibly even the only wolf on that particular bandwagon.
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And here is MJW, following Ichabod's advice with a vote on me

I admit I overeacted about the vig thing gaspar. A muitple-vig is so strong that I would

never lych a confirmed one even if it was Serdoa.

I still don't like c-heard for his 3-hour no one has posted agruement and Tasunake seemed to eager to jump on lewwyn.

Lewwyn feels very angry to me so I think he is not guilty. If lewwyn is on the chopping block one of the people who he does

not like Scooter or Tasunake will be on the chopping block too. Even though Catwalk has a lead know. I think Scooter is

being his usual self. So I'll go with Tasunake. I'll probably switch back to cyneheard if anyone other

then Meiz and me votes for him.

Is he falling for Ichabod's trap? Or is he a co-wolf trying to organize a bandwagon on one of Ichabod's Finger of Suspicion

candidates.

I think the later is easily possible, as it would split the vote, and make it more easy for MJW to put the final nail in

Jkaen's coffin if it came to that.

(as it turns out, my noobishness of (2) votes for Jkaen at the last allowed for MJW to switch wagons, also at the last

second)

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So now Im getting a little impatient, hehe ...

Its less than three hours until the lynch, and I haven't posted any of my research yet, so I think I'll go ahead and post what I've got in this regard.

I'll try to do some more research before the lynch though.

--> From my current research, I think Selrahc and MJW are both likely to be wolves, although for the moment I actually consider MJW to fit a profile more close to being wolf.

Therefore, somewhat cautiously, I think I will have to switch my vote to MJW for now.

[Sareln]

Slowcheetah (5) - Catwalk Gaspar Mardoc Novice Sareln
MJW (3) - Cyneheard Selrahc Slowcheetah
Selrahc (3) - Lewwyn MJW Tasunke

Before Reading Tasunke's Post in depth;

Tasunke -> MJW (1354)

So Current is:

Slowcheetah (5) - Catwalk Gaspar Mardoc Novice Sareln
MJW (4) - Cyneheard Selrahc Slowcheetah Tasunke
Selrahc (2) - Lewwyn MJW

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well it looks like Selrahc won't die today so I have to go with. Slowcheetah It would be really silly if we tied because Lewwyn is AFK.

All that happened to me was Tasunke's megapost which I want to make one point on--I've addressed everything else before:

You expect me to bait a wolf attack? That would be very hard for me because I'm very lychable . So I would have to due something drastic like lying about my role. The reason why this is drastic is because roles are know on death on this game and the death of someone would have a high chance of busting my lie for metagame reasons. I would get lyched "for free". That's bad.

This is one of the reasons I roleclaimed. I just would not be able to use my role effectively.

[uberfish]

Slowcheetah (6) - Catwalk Gaspar Mardoc MJW Novice Sareln
MJW (4) - Cyneheard Selrahc Slowcheetah Tasunke
Selrahc (1) - Lewwyn

[Cyneheard]

Slowcheetah (6) - Catwalk Gaspar Mardoc MJW Novice Sareln
MJW (4) - Cyneheard Selrahc Slowcheetah Tasunke
Selrahc (1) - Lewwyn

Can people who aren't MJW explain the slowcheetah over MJW case? Between MJW's self interest and that I don't trust him, I'm not going to listen closely to him.

[Sareln]

I'll get to your question in a moment Cyneheard, first a response to the last two Tasunke/MJW posts.

I agree w/ MJW that he would not have been able to draw a wolf night-kill unless he could successfully pretend to an information-gathering role without getting himself lynched in the process. I don't think I can fault him for that part of his play. Yet knowing that, he still popped JKaen given the opportunity. Yes, an un-night-killable wolf is strong, but wolves don't typically die during the night unless the vig gets lucky (or is awesome), they die during the day on the hangman's scaffold. On a day 1 where it's come down to Tasunke/Scooter/JKaen and you have a little bit of evidence that JKaen is innocent, I think that's a good reason to vote one of the other two instead of him. That could just be a disagreement of style though between MJW and I.

Here's Tasunke's post condensed and hopefully more readable, the automatic MSWord spacing made it impossible to read in forum Tasunke. I think even notepad or something similar would have served you better there.

Tasunke (1354)

I think it makes a lot of sense that nothing has happened, it being a Friday night and what not.

Selrahc, after reviewing the evidence, 'other' than the conspiracy theory that it wasn't actually you that used your power(but someone else under your orders), it seems that your 'vote block' ability claim seems valid.

So reviewing the evidence, assuming the likely event that your power is indeed a vote blocker and not a role blocker ... I am now deciding to do some research to see if my assessment of your 'self preservation wolf play' proved accurate.

The "Elf Feud" was an attempt to avoid being night killed and being lynched, by publicly making myself an inconvenient target. While ultimately being ready to vote with the wolves in a close game situation.

By immediately revealing yourself and creating a public feud... you're actually mirroring the situation precisely. In the Elf feud the villagers really would have been better off immediately killing me, since I rigged the situation to be a wolf by another name.

By identifying yourself and your feud mate, you might be doing the same.

I would not be averse to lynching MJW right now.

and then MJW decided to distract us immediately with these sentiments

If roles are truely random then there has to be a killer other than the NAP. Otherwise all night kill block abilites would be out because they would be useless if given to the NAP. The nap might have a vig on there side; so they might be able to double kill for one day.

My abilty would be hard to trigger so I don't think it is that useful. So I think the metagame issues around the abilty are more powerful then the abilty itself.

I vote Cyneheard. How would he know that my play was foolish unless he was a member of the NAP? He could think I am a misguided villager but then he would not want to vote for me. He would just ignore everything I said.

Looking back over the thread there is only 2 things that need to be said. I agree with Catwalk that Tsaki's posts looks like filler trying to bump up my post count.

I also don't take Scooter's idea seriously. I don't think I can get lyched today. There are too many players who don't post a lot and new players. Someone is always going to just eat it the first day. I think Scooter came up with that idea before the game started though so it does not say anything on weather or not he is a wolf.

and

This is another filler post.

Selrahc my abilty is not strong enough now to jusitfy killing Jkaen. I can live with a divided france. Because I will not be pusing for jkaen's death unlike you I think there will be no elf feud. I have to win the game normally. Lyching Jkaen if he is a villager does not help me at all now that I have role-claimed.

and then this

He thought about it. I don't think he would think about doing it like that normally if he was a villager. He if was a villager he would think about killing me would for being annoying not for poor play.

If I where a NAP member my play, form cryneheard's view, may have been a clever attempt to get cover and not foolish. The whole idea of lyching ANYONE for "OMGUS" is a poor one. I think it is poor enough that cryneheard does not belive in it and is just trying to fill up space.

Post #MJW-1 could have easily been cross posted with Selrahc's post, with a hefty does of MJW-meta sense and an ending paragraph full of truthiness.

Post #MJW-2 first draws attention towards myself (away from him) and then he claims that he won't be pushing for Jkaen's death. Something that he then does a complete 180 on before the 72 hour day is over.

Post #MJW-3 he admits that his early game move is far less foolish from a wolf perspective, and I am reminded of Gaspar's note that MJW knows how to play a power role well.

Something about power roles ... IF a wolf managed to try and kill MJW, he would have been a confirmed villager. This would have been the BEST POSSIBLE play for this role, and I would even go so far as to think MJW would try to make his play forward (after Jkaen died) to try and BAIT a wolf to kill him. (and reverse if Jkaen was alive and MJW had died).

However, he did none of these things. Instead, he revealed 'extremely' early- in a supposed attempt to stop an elf feud, while later he actively pushed for Jkaen's head. He then had the meta-confidence to admit later that it would have been a good wolf play. Perhaps he wanted to prove (from a meta post-game perspective) that he could play well.

[STRIKE]Now, onto Selrahc's next post. Actually,[/STRIKE]

A few more posts from MJW.

Are you a native english speaker scooter? Yet means he WILL vote me. He would use the word MAY instead.

Tasunke freaking out by spamming three posts in a row feels something like a nOObie villager would do. His posts seem to be truthful to me. Something is off though. But I just can not justify voting him right now.

I think lewwyn and Scooter are acting in character. Scooter is being his usual thick-headed self and lewwyn willing to aggersively guess who the wolfs are.

Cyneheard post's don't seem truthful to me. I think he is not getting angry and not attacking people. He was also willing to conclude that Tasunke was villagerish too soon before his triple post. So I will vote Cyneheard. I don't have any feelings of wolfishness on anyone else expect for maybe Tasunke.

Here he plays a post with 80% truth in it, but still leaves a grain of doubt towards me so that he can save me for a late-game lynch (if he wants).
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and another MJW post

Hmmm... do you think we can work together somehow?

Another reason I don't like cyneheard is that his post pointing out that 9 people have not done anything was very half-assed. As a former wolf I know that wolfs hurry to post something as quickly as possible; even if it something silly. The reason why 9 people did not post is that this game took forever to get started thanks to uberfish.

here he is talking directly to Jkaen (who just voted for Ichabod), to try and get him to vote for Cyneheard instead. I'll admit that this sort of behavior Day 1 could swing either way, but I still find this quite interesting.
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Now onto Selrahc's next post!

I have something similar. Although it isn't specifically labelled a technology.

Since it relates to my ability, I was assuming it was just fluff.

I'd agree with that. You've had some... interesting.. ideas in previous games. You're being a lot more restrained here.

Calmer Catwalk is less of a challenge to people's sanity, but it's definitely an odd change of character. Possibly it's due to a conscious effort to lay low and avoid suspicion. Maybe it's not.

On MJW and the potential feud.
During the Elf Feud, my win condition was based around getting Arendel lynched. Night kill was no good. So what I attempted to do(after my initial lynch attempt floundered) was push for a close wolf win, while identifying myself and my target as probably not worth wasting a night kill on. A potential misstep I made was aggressively being non-helpful, and it almost got the village to lynch me on a few occasions.

If MJW has been given a similar role, then I think he could be following a similar gameplan. Get the information out in the thread early, so that no wolves kill his target and spoil his game. Then bide his time, casually pushing for a wolf win, but doing it in a low key way. As soon as the wolf numbers hit the point that they can team up with MJW and get the kill, then he strikes.

I would like to hear if JKaen has any insight on this situation. If he heard nothing about feuds and bonus powers, then I think MJW is potentially a ticking time bomb.

Here he *indirectly* admits that he does not have a BTS vanilla tech, and then goes on to nudge Catwalk. At least as far as this post, I don't see the 'hard push' for Catwalk that Selrahc claims, but I do see an attempt to at least get his foot out there in terms of finger pointing.

Then further elaboration on his 'elf feud' analysis, under the assumption that MJW could claim victory from Jkaen's death.

As we now know that MJW doesn't 'win' with Jkaen dying, we at least know that the elf fued wasn't the typical one it was in WW 10. As far as Selrahc's postulations ... I'm not sure. I think MJW is clearly lying here that he doesn't want to see Jkaen fall, but [it's unclear] whether it's for meta-shield + night immunity or if it's because he is a wolf, and would consider a Villager with this power to be WAY TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT ALIVE.

Personally I think the latter is more likely, due to his mentioning that two villagers to have the ability would be OP,

meaning that he thinks Jkaen having that ability would be OP (from the perspective of a wolf).
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Lets look for another Selrahc post, shall we?

Just this then: Does your role have any sort of mention of MJW? Don't give out role info on capabilities, rewards etc., I'd just like to know if this is entirely one sided like the elf feud, which makes it more dangerous for the village.

and

It was illegal for me as a "Lyncher", to prevent me from claiming seer and railroading my target. MJW has proved that he doesn't have that clause on his role, lessening the odds that he has a similar role.

Minor posts, really. Possible co-wolf trying to dig up intel on Jkaen (probably not, but possible). And the second possible co-wolf diciphering MJW's intent with his "multi-vig claim". Although its probably just Selrahc being insightful on his own.

These posts make me think that Selrahc *could* have just been doing some co-wolf banter, although seeing that Selrahc seemed to be the first person to put 'non OMGUS' pressure on MJW I think this is unlikely (still possible, but unlikely).
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Then here is Gaspar stirring up some panic

All kidding aside I think that the idea of MJW with power to kill multiple targets is absolutely terrifying. If we don't get a strong read on a wolf before long I think we should lynch.

I also find this claim highly suspect, we've never had a multiple shot vig and that includes larger games. We call a player who can kill multiple nights a wolf, not a vigilante.

MJW

Because in Soviet Russia, crazy lying ploys screw you.

Did he really misread what MJW was saying? Possible, but I'm unsure. I know I misread it, but then I'm new

Either way, it follows with 2 more votes for MJW, and then Selrahc arrives to correct everyone.

MJW isn't actually claiming to be a multi-shot vig. That's an arbitrary implausible role claim to prove he has the *capability* to lie about role claims.

It could be co-wolf, or just insightful Selrahc.
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And then here Ichabod comes along with a VERY interesting post.

(Don't hang newbies day 1 plea post from Scooter, ommitted -Sareln)

Well, this argument was one of the ones that led to the only wolf lynch (Selrahc) in the only game Mardoc played, if I remember correctly. So maybe it's some kind of selective memory.

I agree that the argument is neutral, though. In fact, what made Selrahc's argument more suspicious was the fact that he directed it to the wolves too, trying to distance himself. Scooter didn't do it.

Zakalwe is notably way less active during the weekends. I'd expect his post count to go up during the week, though.

Anyway, I'm voting for Lewwyn. This post doesn't sound like Lewwyn to me:

(Lewwyn Unvote Quote ommitted -Sareln)

Lewwyn unvoting? I'd expect him to be wanting to vote like 5 times, not needing to look back and see who is the most suspicious. Anything holding you back?

I'm not sure about previous Ichabod play, but this alone makes Lewwyn a bit less suspicious.

Could it be a wolf-bluff for cover? Yes its possible. It's very possible. But for now I will say that it DOES make Lewwyn a bit less suspicious, and I think this is something worth considering.
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and then MJW doing the logical and expected explanation of his vig claim (after giving Selrahc a chance to do so)

I did lie about being a muitple vig. Read my posts people.

I really don't think my style is bad. You should have been lyched the second I died in ww2 scooter. I find gaspar and scooter to be wolfish to suggest lyching me over someone like sarlen. I also think Gaspar's idea of killing me because I am muiltple-vig to be very weak. I don't think he is being sincere. A muiltple-vig is so strong that you would almost never want to lych him. If you look at my record I'm pretty good at hunting wolfs.

There really is no way to justify cyneheard's post about no-one posting. I really can not take this game seriously if cyneheard does not get killed for that. I'm not really intersted in playing or defending myself anymore.

March 6 is pretty far from now so zak not posting a lot is not too bad. In fact he would likely to be posting more if he was a wolf to stay in the middle of the pack.

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another post from Ichabod

It's not the unvoting per se that is suspicious. Maybe I was not clear enough. It's the fact that you didn't have another suspect to vote after your unvote (I know you voted for Tasunke in one of the following posts, but it was due to semi-roleplay reasons, based on a post made after yours) that seemed strange to me. It didn't seem to fit with your previous plays.

When I played as a wolf, there were two major things I looked for. First, it was difficult to find things to suspect the other players of, since I had a cheat sheet. So, I voted way less then normal, and I sticked with the same targets for a long time. The other thing was the need to not vote for certain players that are keen to hold a grudge. This also meant it was difficult to place a vote.

So, when I see an agressive player holding back, I figure it may be due to this reasons. It was not the "unvote" thing that made me suspect you, it was this reasoning.

Anyway, it's interesting to see that a big bandwagon formed after my vote. I think it was the forst vote to have a "solid argument" backing it, so it's the perfect type of vote for a wolf to bandwagon on (due to the reasons above, for instance).

Here is Ichabod wanting to divert some Lewwyn rage onto the bandwagoners. (as well as point a finger of suspicion towards the voting pool). As we now know he is a wolf, he was possibly even the only wolf on that particular bandwagon.
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And here is MJW, following Ichabod's advice with a vote on me

I admit I overeacted about the vig thing gaspar. A muitple-vig is so strong that I would never lych a confirmed one even if it was Serdoa.

I still don't like c-heard for his 3-hour no one has posted agruement and Tasunake seemed to eager to jump on lewwyn. Lewwyn feels very angry to me so I think he is not guilty. If lewwyn is on the chopping block one of the people who he does not like Scooter or Tasunake will be on the chopping block too. Even though Catwalk has a lead know. I think Scooter is being his usual self. So I'll go with Tasunake. I'll probably switch back to cyneheard if anyone other then Meiz and me votes for him.

Is he falling for Ichabod's trap? Or is he a co-wolf trying to organize a bandwagon on one of Ichabod's Finger of Suspicion candidates. I think the later is easily possible, as it would split the vote, and make it more easy for MJW to put the final nail in Jkaen's coffin if it came to that.(as it turns out, my noobishness of (2) votes for Jkaen at the last allowed for MJW to switch wagons, also at the last second)
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So now Im getting a little impatient, hehe ...

Its less than three hours until the lynch, and I haven't posted any of my research yet, so I think I'll go ahead and post what I've got in this regard. I'll try to do some more research before the lynch though.

--> From my current research, I think Selrahc and MJW are both likely to be wolves, although for the moment I actually consider MJW to fit a profile more close to being wolf.

Therefore, somewhat cautiously, I think I will have to switch my vote to MJW for now.

[Tasunke]

I guess I'll work on the spacing, but I don't think it makes it that much harder to read.