Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Sareln]

@MNG. Chill, I'm not going to be camping the thread in the evenings, so don't freak out if I go more than 30 seconds between posts :P.

Ichabod is a strong player that is really good and looking innocent, even when he's not. But all I've gotten from him so far is noise by his standards. Compliments all around and a small spat with Serdoa, hardly remarkable, not the quality I'm used to. Maybe that's just b/c there's not so much to work with in game, or maybe he's just posting to have posted and has to fill it with something.

WRT: Tasunke, Stardock dropped a new FE build today. He's probably playing it instead of playing WW like he's supposed to . So all in all, I'm less inclined to lynch him for inactivity today.

[Gaspar]

pindicator, I think retaliatory votes are usually pretty bad and costly for the town. They're also very common

Meant to note, I think its overstating to say they're costly to the town. Its just human nature in play.

[Sareln]

That "and" between good and looking should be an "at" so that it reads:

@MNG. Chill, I'm not going to be camping the thread in the evenings, so don't freak out if I go more than 30 seconds between posts :P.

Ichabod is a strong player that is really good at looking innocent, even when he's not. But all I've gotten from him so far is noise by his standards. Compliments all around and a small spat with Serdoa, hardly remarkable, not the quality I'm used to. Maybe that's just b/c there's not so much to work with in game, or maybe he's just posting to have posted and has to fill it with something.

WRT: Tasunke, Stardock dropped a new FE build today. He's probably playing it instead of playing WW like he's supposed to . So all in all, I'm less inclined to lynch him for inactivity today.

[novice]

Failed to add, I'm keeping my vote on novice for now. He matches the lay-low-on-day 1 profile quite well, and I would still like a response to my earlier questions about his accusation of MNG.

I fell asleep early last night so that's why I've been "laying low" for the last 16 hours. As for my MNG accusation:

MnG, that's a recycled excuse from WW11 for voting Zak (where he turned out both funny and town). Are you just looking for a plausible place to park your vote?

novice, why call it a recycled excuse when MNG wasn't playing in that game (to my knowledge)? Seems a little unfair to accuse him on basis of something someone else did in a different game. But if he did indeed play in that game, I agree with your assessment.

I really wanted to hear an answer from him, not have someone else answer for him. Incidentally I did the same with Pling, clarifying a point for her, which I immediately regretted since she then responded with "yeah what novice said". Similarly MNG can just shrug my accusation off with "I didn't play that game". It would have been preferrable to hear how MNG himself chose to answer the accusation.

Now since then MNG has been flailing a bit, as pointed out by e.g. Lewwyn. Like Gaspar I'm wary of going after the traditionally easy targets on day 1 though. Going after a stronger player with "weaker" evidence may ultimately provide more information for the village. Looking at the current tally for candidates, I'm interested in the Serdoa<->Ichabod dynamic, so I'll turn the tables there: Ichabod.

Cross-posting a bit, will catch up afterwards.

[Bigger]

Caught up w/ posts for now. This may be the last time I can check this thread until just before the lynch deadline - or I may not even make it. Busy day tomorrow w/ wedding stuff. I was hoping the start date for ww12 would be the 21st or 22nd, oh well.

Good news is I will be fine once the night period starts and on day 2, assuming I am still alive.

I considered just unvoting, but I am going to leave my vote on molach, for this reason:

[*]If nobody makes a horrendously stupid mistake, err towards lurker lynches - if you can't get yourself closer to a win by hitting scum at least you're removing a player less likely to be helpful.


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to be honest, I'm too green to have a good intuition as to who is a wolf - and thats all you really have half-way through day 1 anyway. I figure if Molach shows up tomorrow and starts participating, my vote won't mean anything, but if is still a no show perhaps he'll garner some more votes.

as for my non-participation.. well I did warn everyone in the setup thread almost 2 weeks ago, before roles were handed out even :P

[Rowain]

While I agree that MNG is usually easily targeted I can't ignore his Alien-comment. Add to this his : ' We have too many people with votes on - let me add another one'- stunt and I can't bring myself to vote anybody else.

Now one can say a wolf wouldn't be that obvious but fact is MNG was extremly obvious as wolf right from his first post in WW4 too.

[Catwalk]

I was about to post a small defense of MNG as I think there are some flaws in the accusations against him, and thought some more about what novice said. The point of discussing accusations (especially on day 1) is not so much the merit of the accusations (because there is usually hardly any merit to them) as it's about how the accused responds. I agree with novice that we should try to refrain from defending others, unless the accusation is outrageous enough to warrant counter-suspicion on its own.

I think our best bet for focusing votes is to pick 3-4 players who are blending in really well. I would personally exclude inactives from this shortlist, as I think wolves would be more likely to make at least few posts. Players with wolf experience are welcome to comment on this assumption, do you have experience of wolves trying to lay low on day 1 by just not posting?

Commodore stands out with his single post so far, for example. While that is not pro-village play, I'm inclined to put him closer to the innocent camp for it.

[Gaspar]

I think our best bet for focusing votes is to pick 3-4 players who are blending in really well. I would personally exclude inactives from this shortlist, as I think wolves would be more likely to make at least few posts. Players with wolf experience are welcome to comment on this assumption, do you have experience of wolves trying to lay low on day 1 by just not posting?

Commodore stands out with his single post so far, for example. While that is not pro-village play, I'm inclined to put him closer to the innocent camp for it.

Uh. Completely disagree. An experienced player playing wolf is likely to be an active poster e.g. Ichabod last game, etc. A new player playing wolf is darn near always on the quiet side e.g. slowcheetah last game.

Funny you mention Commodore, he's not exactly a shrinking violet so his silence had been a bit suspicious to me but I'm focusing on other targets based on my "give the newbies Day 1" theory. But I'd like to hear something from him.

[Lewwyn]

Now one can say a wolf wouldn't be that obvious but fact is MNG was extremly obvious as wolf right from his first post in WW4 too.

This.

[Catwalk]

Uh. Completely disagree. An experienced player playing wolf is likely to be an active poster e.g. Ichabod last game, etc. A new player playing wolf is darn near always on the quiet side e.g. slowcheetah last game.

Funny you mention Commodore, he's not exactly a shrinking violet so his silence had been a bit suspicious to me but I'm focusing on other targets based on my "give the newbies Day 1" theory. But I'd like to hear something from him.

I just looked over Ichabod day 1 from WW11 since you brought it up, and I think he matches the profile of blending in. By blending in I didn't mean lay low and say nothing, I meant avoiding controversy. Ichabod had 3 early votes on him at random, he dodged those mostly without commentary and started a bandwagon at Lewwyn. When Lewwyn defended himself viciously (directed at Ichabod), Ichabod backed off gracefully and made sure to make friends with Lewwyn. I think his play matches my assumption quite well. Does "avoid controversy" fit better than "blend in"? That's what I meant by it. Also, I completely missed the fact that Commodore is new to WW. I agree that casts a lot more suspicion on him, although I agree with the newbie grace period of 1 day on basic principle.

I don't think MNG's play screams obvious wolf. As a wolf, he'd have no interest in pitching a new suspect rather than joining an existing one, aided by his plea for focusing votes. With plenty time left and hardly any focus anywhere, I don't think his play is as bad as it's being made out to be. I know I'm responding on behalf of him here in violation of my own suggestion above, but I figured he's asleep now and won't be on to respond until closer to lynch time.