Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Ichabod]

I haven't read all the thread yet, but couldn't we use Bigger claimed power to see if Tasunke is indeed a watcher? Having watcher + vowyer seems a bit strange.

So, we pick a target, like Sareln. Bigger and Tasunke use their powers on him. We will get at least a 1/1 exchange, if one of them is a wolf. If both are wolves, they'd fool us for some time, I guess.

[Meiz]

I think I'm going to believe Bigger's claim for now, due to this post: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post241548

It came before he had received any votes, so this role reveal was not planned due to them...

[Mardoc]

Sure, Commodore, why don't you claim your role? Can't hurt at this point.


Maybe the reason I'm having trouble identifying wolves is that they're lurking still? We really haven't heard much from the following people:
Jkaen
Lewwyn
Molach (hey, wasn't he supposed to be done with RL busyness by today?)

[Catwalk]

re: Bigger
With small packs, it's not all that likely that he'd have an experienced wolf with the time to proofread his posts.

Regarding roles, it seems like each werewolf pack has an announcer. Maybe the packs have mirrored roles, seems like an easy way to balance them. Since Voyeur seems like a useless wolf role, maybe the wolves have gimped watchers. What do you think, Tasunke?

No offense to Tasunke, but seeing you address him specifically like this seems off. Given Tasunke's limited WW experience, why are you particularly interested in his take on the setup? Trying to draw him into a conversation and help him seem useful? It's probably too obvious, but you're smelling more and more like a wolf novice. No smoking guns anywhere, but your play just feels off.

I agree with asking for Commodore to make a role claim. As for having Tasunke and Bigger test each other, wouldn't we run the risks of wolves foiling that plan? Say, if there is a wolf roleblocker who blocks either one of them so it looks like they're lying.

[pling]

Another Day end, another roleclaim This wasn't quite what I was expecting when I suggested we should be letting Bigger keep talking for a while.

Voyeur seems a pretty weak role - doesn't really tell us much so far, other than that someone wanted to know something about Gaspar? Although I suppose it does tell us that if everyone's telling the truth then there's a third investigative power role out there - but that's probably more interesting to the wolves, aren't they the ones most interested in not being investigated or otherwise PR targeted?

So I'm not sure it tells us much about his alignment, just like I'm not sure Tasunke's tells us about his alignment. Same applies as what I was saying earlier about Tasunke tho - I'd like to see who he decides to spy on during Night 2 & what his rationale is etc.

[Rowain]

@ Meiz I have no doubt that he is voyeur the question remains that of alignment. After all the post you linked was fishing after information as he knew that there is an investigator

For now I park my vote on Jkaen :neenernee

[Commodore]

Sure, Commodore, why don't you claim your role? Can't hurt at this point.

I'm...completely vanilla. It's kind of hurtful, really, am I the only one without power?

[Meiz]

@ Meiz I have no doubt that he is voyeur the question remains that of alignment. After all the post you linked was fishing after information as he knew that there is an investigator

Don't you think it's a bit too blunt attempt for a wolf to make? At the time I thought it as horrible villager play and just wanted to kept my mouth shut. Maybe it's just horrible wolf play, but I think that goes against his other play so far. I don't know, the voyer just seems so completely useless role in the hands of wolves, regardless of the wikipedia description

For now I park my vote on Jkaen :neenernee

For being generally neutral / unhelpful? I could actually go with that.

[Ichabod]

Also, Tasunke's delayed explanation for watching Sareln is underwhelming. After being poked and prodded repeatedly, the best he can come up with is "I thought he was a good target". He even points out that he'd put a great deal of thought into this and had been saving a post about it. That is not believable.

I agree.

The case for Bigger... as I was reading through those 11 pages I looked at why people were voting for MNG, in context. At the end of of page 11 there are 5 votes for him, and no more than 2 votes for anyone else. The people voting for MNG were then Injera, Uberfish, Rowain, Zakalwe, Ichabod, in that order.

Injera voted first as a joke but had ample opportunity to bow out. Looking it up now, he also confirmed his vote for MNG on page 14, right as the pressure on him was easing up a little.

Uberfish was innocent.

Rowain voted third, for a believable reason. Does not look like busing.

I voted fourth, putting him in some actual danger. I actually think this vote is more exonerating for me than my 6-4 vote towards the end of the day.

Ichabod voted fifth, but he did point some suspicion towards MNG earlier.

Conclusion: None of these votes look particularly like busing, although I still suspect both Injera, Rowain, and Ichabod to varying degrees (i.e. they could be from another pack). So at this point, I think MNG was sweating bullets. His next move? Accuse Bigger, out of the blue, who had very little chance of gaining traction at that point. I think this is clumsy wolf play, trying to buy cover for his pack mate. Coupled with my earlier observation on how Bigger later bused MNG while trying to set me up for the fall, it all adds up.

I also agree with this post. And later novice said the argument against bigger was WIFOM (not sure about what that means, but I think I get the context). It's not. MNG could have chosen anyone, but choosing his packmate could be seen as a good play for them, to give cover to Bigger. The same thing I said when accusing Zak (which this post makes a good job on prooving my accusations wrong, since Zak voted earlier for MNG) can be used here, that MNG was gone already.

pling, to be fair I think Commodore would have many more votes by now if Bigger hasn't painted a target on himself. But he did. Tbh, I have the feeling that the case against both is good enough that it doesn't matter who gets lynched, though I have a preference for Bigger. But thats for the simple reason that I think he is the bigger threat, having much more experience with these sort of games than Commodore.

Apart from the reasons outlined earlier, I have another reason to vote for Bigger: He wrote now two times my name wrong. Now, I know, that sounds stupid at first, MJW does that all the time. But I have my reasons and I'll try to explain them.

First time might have been an oversight, but the second time wasn't imo. I think he was trying to upset me with it so that he could use my rage to brush away my accusations as a "personal feud". That's why I intentionally told him in a serious way that he made an error when he wrote it wrong the first time, to see how he reacts. There are two possibilities, either apologize for it and/or make sure to do it right the next time. Or write it intentionally wrong again, to upset the other. He choose the later, probably expecting me to rage. That's imo wolfish behavior. A villager would simply answer the accusations and explain himself, knowing that he is innocent. A wolf? A wolf has much more reason to try to upset a villager who is suspicious of him, because it is much easier to brush away accusations if the one who accuses you seems to have a personal issue with you. Gaspar showed me that in WW7 (I think - the one were we really upset each other pretty heavily and what I don't want to remember any more than absolutely necessary).

It may sound crazy, but I agree with name spelling thing. I also caught the 2 spelling errors and found them strange.

It seems that the votes on bigger are getting away after the claim, but I think he's a good target. His power role is useless anyway and it really seem as a wolf power role. But I think we can make the test with Tasunke and Bigger and maybe get some info from that. I wouldn't mind losing their power roles for one night to get that info.

[pindicator]

Ichabod, I can't bedo as detaileda as ia want because I 'm writing on my phone during the last bit of lunch, but why couldn't you have explained like this yesterday? It would have gone s long way towards lessening my suspicions. Now I think you're telling the truth about RL pressure-- you could be switching tactics as a wolf but it sounds genuine to me. Or at least genuine enough that I need to decide between Bigger and Commodore for today when I can sneak it in during work.