Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Ichabod]

All of the powers we've seen so far have been pretty limited in their scope. It wouldn't surprise me if Tasunke's was as well- not that it clears his alignment either way. It just makes me really suspicious of Commodore's claim that he's just a plain ol' villager. I mean, if we have 1-shot roleblockers who can't even save it to the end game, do you think NH really ran out of possible roles?

I hate to take it to a meta-game level like this as that can get annoying quickly, but it just doesn't sit right with me.

Agreed. Is there another plain villager that can claim? I think it's worth it. I don't think we have that powerful power-roles, so the wolves wouldn't gain much by a plain reveal. If there's none, Commodore will be in trouble.

[Injera]

I think you misread Rowain's power. He's far more useless than a Roleblocker, he's a Voteblocker.

Wow, I did misread that. He couldn't even affect a vote as it was going on, he had to plan ahead to use it. That's just...

[pindicator]

Agreed. Is there another plain villager that can claim? I think it's worth it. I don't think we have that powerful power-roles, so the wolves wouldn't gain much by a plain reveal. If there's none, Commodore will be in trouble.

So you're saying that if we can determine Commodore did a fake reveal to save his own skin then we should go after him? I agree.

But didn't Tasunke just do exactly this? Didn't he just admit to giving a half truth about his first reveal?

Eh, why wait? Just because Bigger was village yesterday doesn't clear Commodore.

[Meiz]

Wow, I did misread that. He couldn't even affect a vote as it was going on, he had to plan ahead to use it. That's just...

I'm actually quite jealous. On last game my role was: Once during the game you may make a show of force towards any other civilization, who will be too scared to vote for you the next day.

(and this couldn't be used at the end game either)

Anyway, I think Rowain showed some good signs of his innocence, but still he was one of the players who showed intent to go after Jkaen (and Zakalwe) next. Personally I feel that Jkaen is... "disconnected" from this game. He drops by here and there, but hasn't really participated the discussions. There are several cases, where he drops some line, is being questioned about it and then he simply disappears.

For example Rowain asked what made him come up with the idea of a neutral faction. Not answered. The rules gave quite clear guides for several werewolf packs, but not much regarding neutral factions. My guess, to appear confused about the setup.

He made a comment regarding the "who Ichabod thing", which didn't make any sense and Ichabod asked about it. No response before Ichabod asked the same question several pages forward. This was finally answered on the next day, he confused Ichabod with uberfish.

Accused Rowain and they discussed from post http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post241273 forward. When Rowain points that the accusation is illogical (MNG, Gaspar, Zakalwe tried to bus Tasunke = Tasunke is innocent, same people tried to bus Rowain = Rowain is a wolf), Jkaen again disappears.

Jkaen says that Rowain lashes against every accuser (wolf under pressure), http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post241478

Later Rowain asks to point out the posts where he has done this agains Catwalk, Jkaen and novice. This gets never responded.

So in summary, I don't remember Jkaen being this much "out of the flow" in any of his previous games. He has never been numerous poster, but I'm getting way different read from him now. Also his starting votes on day 1 where the easiest ones to make. Catwalk for being catwalk, Lewwyn for being always suspicious, Commodore for having 1 post.

Jkaen

[zakalwe]

Well, I think it was my lack of participation in Day 1 that ultimately killed me. which led to the power claim, which led to a situation of either be suspected/suspicious or get wolf killed.-> dead either way really

So I don't hold any hard feelings or anything.

A little frustrated is all. I mean, even though I've "used" my power, I really wish I could have done something useful with it. Especially catching a wolf.

We will see I suppose, but somehow I doubt that I will live past Day 3.

I wasn't so sure about Tasunke earlier, but this looks incredibly insincere and coached to me. And why would there be a watcher who can only watch someone every other night? Why not just a limited number of shots? Is there another one to fill in the alternating nights?

If there are no other vanilla villagers, lynching Commodore seems like a no-brainer. I can't believe NH would screw over a villager by making him the only one who is vanilla. I can believe a low number of vanilla villagers though, like in the FFH game.

Either way, we have to wait for everybody to check in before the argument against Commodore really gains weight, so we may as well watch Tasunke squirm in the meantime.

[Lewwyn]

Really, really busy, but I love Meiz picking up my thoughts. Jkaen

[Injera]

Anyway, I think Rowain showed some good signs of his innocence, but still he was one of the players who showed intent to go after Jkaen (and Zakalwe) next. Personally I feel that Jkaen is... "disconnected" from this game.

And what do you think about zak? I agree that Jkaen needs some pressure to open him up. He was out of the flow as well in WW7

[Injera]

Damn it, stop following my vote before I can preview the grammar Lewwyn.

[Commodore]

Apparently NH enjoys being cruel, although given the weakness of that last role being vanilla doesn't seem very much worse, I guess. Tasunke, are you sure you have the limitation on your watches? Or did you watch me and find a disappointing lack of fangs? Damn shame about Bigger being legit and dead...voyeurizing would have helped.

Jkaen does seem checked out, and that is apparently rare for him in these games, but what, pray tell, of Molach? MNG has four times the posts of him.

[Meiz]

And what do you think about zak?

I think he might be a wolf, but my notes are not on my work computer

He was out of the flow as well in WW7

Made 4 posts because being busy and was modkilled due to inactivity? It's a bit different. Yes he could be busy (and will probably use that for defense), but it's impossible for us to know. And wolves can be busy as well