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Werewolf 12: Game Thread

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Injera, is this another one of those "deliberately dense" tells that Zak likes collecting?

Injera Wrote:You stated yesterday (in game days, a couple irl) you would vote to lynch Rowain for "information purposes." Do you not remember?

What information were you trying to gather?

Yes I remember, didn't I just answer this two posts ago? I want to see who votes for whom, with what reasons, when which other players are alternative lynch candidates, and what the alignments of as many as the involved players are.

Injera Wrote:
novice Wrote:I didn't know at the time that it would be a mislynch.
Rowain wasn't mislynched. Wolves ate him. Easy to confuse...

Excuse me for not getting my verb tenses correct. I didn't know at the time that it would have been a mislynch.
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novice Wrote:Yes I remember, didn't I just answer this two posts ago? I want to see who votes for whom, with what reasons, when which other players are alternative lynch candidates, and what the alignments of as many as the involved players are.

Sure, but why would you stake your vote on that? I think folks will read later today how panicked that response was a "two posts ago." I hate to say it a third time, but you specifically said you would be fine with lynching Rowain for information gathering. If you meant that honestly, there's something you can tell us beyond general platitudes of alignment and knowing who's whom.

novice Wrote:Previewing: If JKaen and Zak can garner more support for a Rowain lynch, I'm still willing to consider it for information gathering purposes.

What information were you trying to gather? Simply, was that an honest statement?
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Injera Wrote:Simply, was that an honest statement?

Yes, if Zak and JKaen had garnered more support for a Rowain lynch, with Commodore a landslide candidate, I would have been willing to lynch Rowain for information purposes - to find out Rowain's alignment and draw deductions from it.

Yesterday I wanted to lynch Commodore but I didn't want to completely discourage discussing other candidates.
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Jkaen Wrote:Oh, my vote stays firmly on Commodore, for the reason that I believe I was the first to propose, which was I don't believe anybody has no powers at all in this game
What I don't get is how you can be so sure about this, when lots of players have yet to comment on Commodore's claim at all? Smells like out-of-thread knowledge seeping through.
If you know what I mean.
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novice Wrote:Yes, if Zak and JKaen had garnered more support for a Rowain lynch, with Commodore a landslide candidate, I would have been willing to lynch Rowain for information purposes - to find out Rowain's alignment and draw deductions from it.

What deductions could you draw from, specifically, a test of Rowain's alignment? That's all I'm asking. You were confident there was something there when he had two votes on him, what did you see?
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Injera, you have the following personal ability:

Woodpecker - Once per day you may adopt a curious stance and repeatedly hammer the same point over and over again.
If you know what I mean.
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zakalwe Wrote:Injera, you have the following personal ability:

Woodpecker - Once per day you may adopt a curious stance and repeatedly hammer the same point over and over again.

Distraction fails, segue into humor... I was my brother's best man, too, I get it. We share our fathers' teeth. smile
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(First up - I have reliable power again jive elephant: jive I actually did yesterday evening, but I wanted to read the end of PB6 coz I'd been on tenterhooks about that just like the rest of the lurkers wink I need to get to that Civ V SG too, as I see I'm being bullied into not dropping out lol)

Now we have a few alignments, here's Pindicator's voting lists colour coded with village in lime and the White Wolf in pink (to make him stand out a little from background).

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Day 1
Vote #    Post#    Hours Left    Person        Votes For
1    5    44.50        Gaspar        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]
2    5    44.50        Gaspar        Lewwyn
3    8    44.50        Gaspar        novice
4    9    44.25        Injera        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
5    10    44.00        Lewwyn        Gaspar
6    12    43.25        Sareln        Ichabod
7    13    43.25        Commodore    Catwalk
8    14    42.50        Catwalk        Lewwyn
9    15    42.25        Jkaen        Catwalk
10    17    41.75        pindicator    Jkaen
11    20    40.75        novice        Gaspar
12    21    40.50        Meiz        Catwalk
13    22    40.50        pling        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
14    23    40.25        zakalwe        Jkaen
15    24    40.00        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]        Commodore
16    25    39.75        Catwalk        Meiz
17    25    39.75        Catwalk        Jkaen
18    25    39.75        Catwalk        Commodore
19    29    38.00        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]    [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
20    29    37.75        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]    Commodore
21    33    35.25        Mardoc        Serdoa
22    39    34.25        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]
23    46    33.50        pling        Meiz
24    50    33.00        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]    zakalwe
25    52    32.75        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]    [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
26    57    32.00        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
27    59    31.50        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]        catwalk
28    60    31.50        Serdoa        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]
29    63    30.75        Ichabod        Serdoa
30    77    28.50        novice        Serdoa
31    85    27.00        pindicator    pling
32    86    27.00        Tasunke        Ichabod
33    87    27.00        zakalwe        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
34    88    27.00        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]        Molach
35    89    26.75        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]    [color=lime]uberfish[/color]
36    91    26.75        Catwalk        novice
37    92    26.75        Ichabod        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
38    96    26.50        Jkaen        Lewwyn
39    98    26.50        Gaspar        Tasunke
40    105    24.25        Mardoc        pling
41    110    23.00        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]    [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
42    121    21.50        Ichabod        Mardoc
43    122    20.50        Gaspar        Ichabod
44    123    20.00        Lewwyn        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
45    135    19.25        zakalwe        Tasunke
46    137    18.00        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]    Tasunke
47    144    17.25        novice        Ichabod
48    152    15.50        Jkaen        Commodore
49    156    15.25        pling        Tasunke
50    158    15.00        Catwalk        Tasunke
51    162    15.00        Serdoa        Tasunke
52    167    13.50        Lewwyn        Commodore
53    169    13.00        Meiz        Ichabod
54    170    12.75        zakalwe        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
55    177    11.75        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]    Commodore
56    186    10.75        Mardoc        Commodore
57    187    10.50        Serdoa        unvote
58    188    10.25        Serdoa        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
59    189    10.00        Ichabod        novice
60    193    9.75        Serdoa        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
61    206    8.25        Commodore    Catwalk
62    209    7.50        Gaspar        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
63    212    7.00        pling        Commodore
64    214    7.00        Catwalk        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
65    218    6.75        pindicator    [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
66    221    6.50        Ichabod        pindicator
67    222    6.50        Commodore    [color=lime]uberfish[/color]
68    223    6.50        Meiz        pindicator
69    226    6.25        Serdoa        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
70    228    6.00        novice        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
71    233    6.00        Mardoc        pindicator
72    234    6.00        Commodore    Ichabod
73    234    6.00        Commodore    [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
74    234    6.00        Commodore    [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
75    234    6.00        Commodore    Tasunke
76    250    5.25        Sareln        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
77    256    5.00        [color=lime]uberfish[/color]    [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
78    260    4.50        zakalwe        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
79    271    3.75        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
80    272    3.75        Mardoc        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
81    275    3.25        Commodore    [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]
82    276    3.00        Tasunke        [b][color=Pink]Mr Nice Guy[/color][/b]




Day 2:
Vote #    Post#    Hours Left    Person        Vote
1    374    47.25        Mardoc        pling
2    378    47.00        pindicator    Ichabod
3    382    44.75        Lewwyn        Commodore
4    385    43.25        Injera        Commodore
5    387    42.75        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]        Commodore
6    391    41.75        Jkaen        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
7    398    40.50        zakalwe        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
8    405    40.00        Molach        zakalwe
9    407    39.25        novice        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
10    411    37.50        catwalk        Sareln
11    413    34.00        Commodore    Mardoc
12    415    31.75        pling        Commodore
13    417    30.25        novice        Commodore
14    437    28.25        Serdoa        Commodore
15    444    27.25        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]        zakalwe
16    453    26.50        Mardoc        Tasunke
17    454    26.50        Serdoa        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
18    456    26.50        Commodore    Gaspar
19    456    26.50        Commodore    [color=lime]Rowain[/color]
20    456    26.50        Commodore    Ichabod
21    481    24.00        Tasunke        Ichabod
22    492    22.50        Lewwyn        Pling
23    498    19.75        Lewwyn        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
24    504    17.25        novice        Commodore
25    505    17.25        zakalwe        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
26    513    16.50        Catwalk        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
27    519    15.50        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
28    520    15.25        Molach        Commodore
29    529    13.25        Meiz        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
30    552    10.25        Jkaen        Commodore
31    555    10.00        Mardoc        Ichabod
32    557    9.75        Lewwyn        Mardoc
33    563    9.50        pindicator    Ichabod
34    568    9.00        Catwalk        Commodore
35    573    7.25        Gaspar        Ichabod
36    586    6.25        Mardoc        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
37    596    5.25        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]        Commodore
38    598    5.25        Commodore    [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
39    612    4.75        Tasunke        Commodore
40    615    4.75        Mardoc        no vote
41    619    4.50        Sareln        Commodore
42    623    4.25        Mardoc        Commodore
43    626    4.25        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]        Jkaen
44    640    3.25        Ichabod        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
45    650    2.50        [color=lime]Rowain[/color]        Commodore
46    652    2.25        Gaspar        Tasunke
47    654    2.25        Jkaen        Commodore
48    662    1.50        pindicator    [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
49    663    1.25        Mardoc        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
50    664    1.00        Lewwyn        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]
51    669    0.75        Sareln        [color=lime]Bigger[/color]

Tasunke Wrote:So today, by the end of this day I would like for us to agree on whom I should watch for the night.

I very much would not like us to do this. Is this not just saying "hey wolves, don't kill this guy!"? Now, I can see using this as a protective measure might make sense in some ways, and if we had a confirmed villager it might be worth it (not convinced tho) ... but in this situation, all we do is let the wolves know how to hide from you. (And if you're a wolf yourself it lets you nicely off the hook.) Choose your own target, be prepared to tell us why that one afterwards wink

Commodore Wrote:Apparently NH enjoys being cruel, although given the weakness of that last role being vanilla doesn't seem very much worse, I guess. Tasunke, are you sure you have the limitation on your watches? Or did you watch me and find a disappointing lack of fangs? Damn shame about Bigger being legit and dead...voyeurizing would have helped.

Both your points here seem off to me. Firstly - a terribly weak power like Rowain's seems to make it less likely that you're vanilla village rather than more, it's not like we've got a few powerful roles and a bunch of powerless people. Everyone dead so far has had something, which is either inherently weak or limited in some fashion (Rowain seems to me to've "won" the role lottery so far with something both very weak and very limited alright).

Secondly - if Tasunke had watched you he would've seen if anyone else had come to see you, that's what he's saying his role does. Why would that tell us anything about your wolfishness or otherwise? Obviously your point is that wolfy-Tasunke wouldn't tell us if you were innocent; but you don't even really vote for him so I don't think you even remotely believe yourself here. I'm more inclined to believe Tasunke about his limitation, whether village or wolf he's got nothing to gain by saying something so specific about not being able to watch someone last night. I don't think it helps us decide whether he's village or wolf though. The power seems a useful one for both sides, either to hunt wolves by chancing on the right nightkill target, or to get a heads up on scry-type targets by checking out his wolfy buddies.

I'm still pretty suspicious of Commodore, and I don't think he's helping us or himself very much with his posts. Certainly I'd expect less illogic from the Commodore whose PBEM/PB threads I read (I mean, he's King of Pithy One-liners that sum up a person or a situation in a witty fashion). However, I'm willing to wait & see if anyone else comes out of the woodwork to say they're a vanilla villager - there's hours yet before the lynch smile

And one thing in that post of Commodore's that I did agree with is where his vote ended up. Molach are you going to come out & play? Wolf Molach in a previous game was too too terribly busy to join in, and Molach this game has showed up about enough to avoid a mod-kill. His posts aren't one-liners, certainly, but there's quite a bit about "haven't had a chance to read the thread properly" coupled with "oh if I was wolf this time I'd never act like I did before". Which smacks of "a wolf would never do that".
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zakalwe Wrote:Injera, you have the following personal ability:

Woodpecker - Once per day you may adopt a curious stance and repeatedly hammer the same point over and over again.

I lol'ed
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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