Time to play again.
After my last post I landed on Jkaen, perhaps not with enough reasons as I had to finish up my post and make dinner, but I was eager to prod other players besides tasunke and commodore, I got the same queasy feeling in my gut that Ichabod wrote about. We lynch A, then B, and assuredly then we must lynch C, and shit that was the game. I was expecting better from Jkaen than the vanilla thing. But then again, mabye that is just the way it is, simple explanation is of course the right one. I was earlier thinking that there would be a couple vanilla players at least, and that revealing a role (vanilla) would be too helpful to wolves. But with so many roles out here, and a lot of them not that powerful, well no harm in revealing another vanilla. Wolves would still have many targets to choose from. And a vanilla claim might even make them a target as proven villager. If noone reveals, I am thinking there really are no other vanilla villagers. And if so we are left with:
* Commodore is only vanilla villager, he spoke truthfully. NobleHelium dealt out 20 roles and one was left vanilla. Which really is the role of "prepare to be lynched once you are suspected and asked to roleclaim..."
* Commodore is a wolf. He might have a role, or might have nothing. He could not claim his role as it would reveal him to be a wolf or lead to trouble down the line, and/or because he thought there had to be several other vanilla in the game.
Both are possible, is one more likely? There was also pressure on him from day 1, does that tip the scale further in one direction? I'm still unhappy about the "prepare to be shocked" which seemed real. But a tip, if you really are a villager, Commodore, do leave behind more thoughts about how you feel about people. Other people. If you turn out villager we know everything you said was truthful, and mabye we stand a better chance to win in the end. If you are a wolf, well then we might just be able to read enough between the lines to pick out fellow packmates.
Ichabod. (And Tasunke). I did not follow too far into your Tasunke-role-wolf logic before going ...huh? I wonder if anyone else feels that every-other night watcher is unbalanced for the village? Last game I was tracker, with 3 charges, which I used up in 3 nights. If Tas is going to use his power as many times as I did, he needs to survive 5 nights and days. Oh, and if he gets a useful result he can reveal it and die, or keep silent and risk (random) nightkill next 2 nights. (This from a theoretical balancing viewpoint). And not too many games ago, the village had a seer who every &%¤% night could target a player and learn their alignment. Watcher and tracker is a bit weaker than that, surely. Most of the time they will see nothing.
My conclusion: It is not unbalancing to the village.
So the arguement that Tas is a not a villager because he is too awesomely overpowered watcher is weak to me. It is an interesting theory that wolf packs are not just balanced but identical. But even if they both have announcers , which to me actually makes sense even if the wolves don't seem to understand, they don't have to be. I'm still struggling with your guilt or innocense, thought. How convinced are you still that Tasunke is a wolf based on your theorizing? I see it as a possible set-up which is later easy to explain away the result is revealed.
Tasunke: To me a no-brainer to lynch him today. We will learn from night action even if he is a wolf. Still worry about your announcing who you will watch, like I said before, wolves can hog the thread and dispatch a new PM to He in 5 seconds if they see you watch their target. I don't worry too much about the lying bit. But I must have missed something, because people are talking about if commodore is innocent, we lynch Tasunke. Why is that, again? Besides that, there are points against him as well, but there will be a day tomorrow too. For some of us.
I am still unsure about Zakalwe, active at first (to build trust?) then tapers off (to blend in?). Same could be said for Catwalk. Not that I'm the right one to accuse of inactivity, but I see myself going in the other direction...as more people die there is more to talk about, not less.
Gaspar and Lewwyn arguing...I'd agree a bit more with Gaspar there, Lewwyn did act very suspicious on the tie-day, but it might just be a gamer's interest in working out the game's mechanics.
I agree a lot with Meiz and Serdoa so far. Pindicator comes across as sincerly helpful, and Injera and Pling are leaning slightly towards village people.
I still need to look a bit more about those left out but baby wake-up time is upon me again Will surely check in this evening, even though I'll be unable to be on around lynchtime.
After my last post I landed on Jkaen, perhaps not with enough reasons as I had to finish up my post and make dinner, but I was eager to prod other players besides tasunke and commodore, I got the same queasy feeling in my gut that Ichabod wrote about. We lynch A, then B, and assuredly then we must lynch C, and shit that was the game. I was expecting better from Jkaen than the vanilla thing. But then again, mabye that is just the way it is, simple explanation is of course the right one. I was earlier thinking that there would be a couple vanilla players at least, and that revealing a role (vanilla) would be too helpful to wolves. But with so many roles out here, and a lot of them not that powerful, well no harm in revealing another vanilla. Wolves would still have many targets to choose from. And a vanilla claim might even make them a target as proven villager. If noone reveals, I am thinking there really are no other vanilla villagers. And if so we are left with:
* Commodore is only vanilla villager, he spoke truthfully. NobleHelium dealt out 20 roles and one was left vanilla. Which really is the role of "prepare to be lynched once you are suspected and asked to roleclaim..."
* Commodore is a wolf. He might have a role, or might have nothing. He could not claim his role as it would reveal him to be a wolf or lead to trouble down the line, and/or because he thought there had to be several other vanilla in the game.
Both are possible, is one more likely? There was also pressure on him from day 1, does that tip the scale further in one direction? I'm still unhappy about the "prepare to be shocked" which seemed real. But a tip, if you really are a villager, Commodore, do leave behind more thoughts about how you feel about people. Other people. If you turn out villager we know everything you said was truthful, and mabye we stand a better chance to win in the end. If you are a wolf, well then we might just be able to read enough between the lines to pick out fellow packmates.
Ichabod. (And Tasunke). I did not follow too far into your Tasunke-role-wolf logic before going ...huh? I wonder if anyone else feels that every-other night watcher is unbalanced for the village? Last game I was tracker, with 3 charges, which I used up in 3 nights. If Tas is going to use his power as many times as I did, he needs to survive 5 nights and days. Oh, and if he gets a useful result he can reveal it and die, or keep silent and risk (random) nightkill next 2 nights. (This from a theoretical balancing viewpoint). And not too many games ago, the village had a seer who every &%¤% night could target a player and learn their alignment. Watcher and tracker is a bit weaker than that, surely. Most of the time they will see nothing.
My conclusion: It is not unbalancing to the village.
So the arguement that Tas is a not a villager because he is too awesomely overpowered watcher is weak to me. It is an interesting theory that wolf packs are not just balanced but identical. But even if they both have announcers , which to me actually makes sense even if the wolves don't seem to understand, they don't have to be. I'm still struggling with your guilt or innocense, thought. How convinced are you still that Tasunke is a wolf based on your theorizing? I see it as a possible set-up which is later easy to explain away the result is revealed.
Tasunke: To me a no-brainer to lynch him today. We will learn from night action even if he is a wolf. Still worry about your announcing who you will watch, like I said before, wolves can hog the thread and dispatch a new PM to He in 5 seconds if they see you watch their target. I don't worry too much about the lying bit. But I must have missed something, because people are talking about if commodore is innocent, we lynch Tasunke. Why is that, again? Besides that, there are points against him as well, but there will be a day tomorrow too. For some of us.
I am still unsure about Zakalwe, active at first (to build trust?) then tapers off (to blend in?). Same could be said for Catwalk. Not that I'm the right one to accuse of inactivity, but I see myself going in the other direction...as more people die there is more to talk about, not less.
Gaspar and Lewwyn arguing...I'd agree a bit more with Gaspar there, Lewwyn did act very suspicious on the tie-day, but it might just be a gamer's interest in working out the game's mechanics.
I agree a lot with Meiz and Serdoa so far. Pindicator comes across as sincerly helpful, and Injera and Pling are leaning slightly towards village people.
I still need to look a bit more about those left out but baby wake-up time is upon me again Will surely check in this evening, even though I'll be unable to be on around lynchtime.
