Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Jkaen]

Ahh ok, just cross posted with pindicator, seems I misunderstood the basis of the accusation against ichabod.

Will read posts 778 - 789 again now to see if I come up witht he same understaning as pind

[Jkaen]

Ok, having read that it seems to be:

1. At time A he didnt suspect Tansuke
2. After that point he realised power makes no sense for a villager, now suspects Tansuke
3. Sees Gaspar picks up details of Tansukes role a bit fast (or thinks he sees that anyway, not convinced Gaspar saw what ichabod thinks he did).

Still suspects Tansuke as power makes no sense
Suspects Gaspar new tansukes role in advance therefore is a team mate and voted for tansuke for cover.


Don't really see what is suspcious there

[Catwalk]

I just went over pindicator's accusations and will be cross-posting mostly the same as Jkaen. Here is how I see Ichabod's posts (starting at 778):

1) He used to consider Tasunke innocent and being framed, based on general read
2) Thinks a bi-nightly villager Watcher would be biased against one wolf-pack, taking this to suggest Tasunke is wolf
3) Lists some reasons why Tasunke might not be wolf:
- NH not caring or not noticing this imbalance
- With 3 packs the argument against Tasunke is void
4) Concludes Tasunke is probably not a better lynch than Commodore
5) Points out the unlikeliness of Commodore being the only villager
6) Suggests Commodore might be another wolf watcher = Tasunke is guilty
7) Wants to discuss other targets
8) Brings up Gaspar voting for Tasunke off the bat on day 2 (he also commented on this at that time)

I don't see a shred of what pindicator is getting at, and I have no idea how these posts can convince pindicator of Ichabod's guilt to the point of crusading. None of it clears Ichabod either, but I think these specific accusations are hogwash. I won't claim they make pindicator look guilty, but I disagree with their merit. Ichabod's points aren't super insightful, but I mostly agree with them. If Commodore is a wolf watcher, the case against Tasunke is strengthened considerably.

[pindicator]

I've been reading it as Ichabod thought Tasunke was guilty but had a revelation he was innocent. Don't tell me I've been reading this wrong the entire time...



Oh my god I'm an idiot.

Commodore

[Meiz]

To continue where we left it yesterday with Jkaen:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post242948
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post242992
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post243029
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post243038

First I have to say that I must be going nuts, since I'm still not following.

Why Rowain didnt try to vote for everybody who suspected him. He cant vote for everybody at once, hence because zak is more likely to get people to follow him than me, he voted for zak first.

Where have I talked about about Rowain voting? I said that you accused Rowain on lashing against every one of his accusers. When he asked specifics, there was no response.

The secodn part refers to you saying that among a number of others Rowain wanted to vote for me, but you also say here that he didnt (he only wanted to vote for zak)

Where did I say this?

Every game there are people who will get votes on day 1. Lewwyn, catwalk, MNG and MJW I would include in that group. Hence voting for them is nothing out of the ordinary as it always happen, hence I would consider them 'safe votes'

Ok, change "easy votes" with "votes that didn't need arguments behind them"

[Meiz]

On the last part, oh you actually agree with me but the defense is that those votes are normal for the first day?

[Jkaen]

but still he was one of the players who showed intent to go after Jkaen (and Zakalwe) next.

Jkaen says that Rowain lashes against every accuser (wolf under pressure), http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...478#post241478

Later Rowain asks to point out the posts where he has done this agains Catwalk, Jkaen and novice. This gets never responded.

[Lewwyn]

Don't tell me I've been reading this wrong the entire time...

Welcome to WW.

And who knows, Ichabod might still be a wolf, though as I said before, he's still reading villagery to me.

[Meiz]

No seriously, I don't understand. Must be the language barrier from my part or something

[Gaspar]

I suppose Commodore has to die just simply so he's less a topic of conversation. Unfortunately if he is innocent, I don't think it actually tells us much, such has been the nature of the game to this point.

I do find it peculiar that novice has spent 2 or 3 times as much time defending people as he has probing for info. Not his usual style at all.

I suppose I'll just go to Commodore now simply so we don't have a darkhorse candidate pop up and force us to relive this day for a third time. As I said, I'm not fully convinced of his guilt but we need to move on.