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Mardoc, this kind of certainty does little to persuade me. Only a wolf can be certain, a villager will (or should) be in doubt.
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I'd like to see you claim your power on day 4, Mardoc. That could help your villager case. And I assume you'll use your power for the second time on night 3. Seeing that you can only use it again on night 5, I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem.
About Zak's claim: why didn't you divert whatever actions were made against Uberfish to someone else on day 1, if you were so sure that Uber was innocent? And why did you choose Meiz on night 2?
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Meiz is a pretty solid choice to protect, watch etc given previous games, cant really fault him for not guessing uber
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Jkaen Wrote:Meiz is a pretty solid choice to protect, watch etc given previous games, cant really fault him for not guessing uber
Well, that's not what I'm saying. Zakalwe was the one who said Uberfish was "obviously innocent" based on day 1 data and that it'd have been risky for wolves to attack him. So why not protect Uberfish, if he could?
It'd have made a lot more sense than the Meiz protection/diversion he's claiming. And that's why I want to know why he protected Meiz.
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So I've been trying to step back and take perspective after my face plant in reading comprehension. Instead of following my own arguments I've been trying to get into other people's lines of thinking and understanding there cases. Figure a good a spot to start as any is Ichabod's case. He is very passionate about his case, so there may be something behind it:
Ichabod Wrote:
You started voting for me right after I mistakingly said Commodore was the tracker while meaning watcher, Mardoc. Now it makes sense to me about why you did that. It indeed make sense as a wolf play.
That's why you are suspicious. Your already claimed limitation is just icing on the cake.
I'm having a little trouble understanding something, and I hope you can help me with your line of thinking. Mardoc is suspicious because you think the only reason he caught you exchanging watcher & tracker before was because he knew ahead of time that Commodore. I follow your thinking there, even if it seems there could be other reasons.
What I don't understand is why Mardoc having a power limitation is the icing on the cake. Didn't you just spend half of Day 3 defending Tasunke who has a power limitation? Help me understand the difference between Mardoc's power limitation means he's wolf, and Tasunke's power limitation doesn't mean he's a wolf.
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Mardoc is suspicious not because he caught me mixing watcher/tracker, but because I feel like he made a big deal out of it, and he would only do that if he's a wolf. He claims he didn't make a big deal out of it and that he voted for me because my posts are confusing. You can choose in who you believe more.
My icing on the cake sentence was made because Mardoc claimed that my case against him was just due to his power limitation, which isn't true. His power limitation also lead me to think that he can be the white wolves tracker or the opposing pair of the watcher (Tasunke bewing the other one).
And where did I defend Tasunke on day 3? I just made a big effort to show that lynching Commodore first was a better idea. I actually attacked Tasunke based on his limitation...
That being said, I'm not sure if lynching Tasunke is the best move for day 4, after what happened.
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pindicator Wrote:So I've been trying to step back and take perspective after my face plant in reading comprehension. Instead of following my own arguments I've been trying to get into other people's lines of thinking and understanding there cases. Figure a good a spot to start as any is Ichabod's case. He is very passionate about his case, so there may be something behind it:
I'm having a little trouble understanding something, and I hope you can help me with your line of thinking. Mardoc is suspicious because you think the only reason he caught you exchanging watcher & tracker before was because he knew ahead of time that Commodore. I follow your thinking there, even if it seems there could be other reasons.
What I don't understand is why Mardoc having a power limitation is the icing on the cake. Didn't you just spend half of Day 3 defending Tasunke who has a power limitation? Help me understand the difference between Mardoc's power limitation means he's wolf, and Tasunke's power limitation doesn't mean he's a wolf.
And if you are trying to step back after your face plant in reading comprehension, why do you make the same mistake in this post that you are trying to recover from:
pindicator Wrote:I've been reading it as Ichabod thought Tasunke was guilty but had a revelation he was innocent. Don't tell me I've been reading this wrong the entire time...
Oh my god I'm an idiot.
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You keep reading as if I realized on day 3 that Tasunke was innocent...
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Ichabod Wrote:That being said, I'm not sure if lynching Tasunke is the best move for day 4, after what happened.
Ichabod Wrote:You keep reading as if I realized on day 3 that Tasunke was innocent...
He's not innocent, just shouldn't be lynched?
Anyway, pindicator, I'm convinced your 'reading comprehension fail' was due to the logic not being there, not due to you misreading it. It's true, Ichabod never did come out and *say* that Tasunke was innocent, but he danced around the subject quite smoothly. Framing, Railroading, 'what if', it was all meant to establish doubt without actually saying anything overt.
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Well, see that's a bit why I'm confused. If you aren't defending Tasunke and you had a revelation he's guilty, then why did you post this?
Ichabod Wrote:This is a very good post, Tasunke. You bring forward a very nice point about the possibility of a different kill order to balance the packs. By the way, you should have post this earlier, before the deadline. It'd help your case.
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Mardoc Wrote:
He's not innocent, just shouldn't be lynched?
Anyway, pindicator, I'm convinced your 'reading comprehension fail' was due to the logic not being there, not due to you misreading it. It's true, Ichabod never did come out and *say* that Tasunke was innocent, but he danced around the subject quite smoothly. Framing, Railroading, 'what if', it was all meant to establish doubt without actually saying anything overt.
pindicator Wrote:Well, see that's a bit why I'm confused. If you aren't defending Tasunke and you had a revelation he's guilty, then why did you post this?
Just read when those posts of mine were posted. I started to find Tasunke less likely to be guilty after the lynch reveal of Commodore and his tracker with limitations power and after a good post by Tasunke.
I wasn't defending Tasunke on day 3, but I may defend him on day 4, based on some info we can get until then.
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By the way, Pindicator, this post of yours:
pindicator Wrote:I've been reading it as Ichabod thought Tasunke was guilty but had a revelation he was innocent. Don't tell me I've been reading this wrong the entire time...
Oh my god I'm an idiot.
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was made before the post which you are quoting above. This one:
Ichabod Wrote:This is a very good post, Tasunke. You bring forward a very nice point about the possibility of a different kill order to balance the packs. By the way, you should have post this earlier, before the deadline. It'd help your case.
So your argument doesn't hold ground.
I knew I was going to get heat when I realized that Tasunke might in fact be innocent. But I'm playing a villager, so I'm not afraid of getting heat. I'm pretty happy that I'm making a lot of people talk. Maybe I'm just giving cover to the wolves, but I don't think so. If that's indeed the case, you can all bash me in the post-game thread.
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