Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[pindicator]

@novice - What was self-deprecating about what I said?

[Gaspar]

And Lewwyn & Gaspar, do you two always flirt this much? This is the third day now that you've both voted against each other.

I haven't voted for Lewwyn today. And yes we do always flirt this much, he's dreamy.

Gaspar, what else besides the role claim makes you suspect Injera. Pling voted for him yesterday, so doesn't that eliminate Injera from the white wolf camp? And Injera voted Commodore day 2, and didn't switch to Bigger.

There you go again, hitting my random gut-feel unresearched assessments with your "logic." Pling voting for him yesterday doesn't mean much - wolves put meaningless votes on each other all the time. It only matters when the vote is close. Which makes your other point more logical, I'd say at a minimum there are highly unlikely to be any black wolves on Commodore. Doesn't eliminate him from white wolf consideration, of course.

Let me try and postulate something more useful...

I wonder how the black pack feels about that kill. Instinctively I'd say early on you want to reduce villagers not wolves, but I don't really know how the mechanics work (i.e. does the surviving wolfpack get to kill every night once the other pack is dead.) At the moment, I'd guess there aren't a lot of experienced players in the black pack. Their kills have been questionable (Rowain always highly lynchable, pling also pretty lynchable AND another wolf, which seems suboptimal.) The white pack on the other hand - we have 2 dead members (MNG who didn't contribute to kill decisions one would think, being dead on day 1 and pling who's been a wolf before but not a "leader" type.) Their kills make a lot more sense - uberfish was looking innocent and Ichabod who was playing well AND basically gave them a free Mardoc mislynch. This leads me to believe there's an experienced player in the white pack.

Experienced players left who would be likely to make the uberfish/Ichabod calls AND have a personality where they could convice the team to take risks (both were risky kills, especially uberfish) :

zakalwe
Serdoa
Lewwyn
Meiz
novice

Novice has the requisite skill and experience, but is less of a risk-taker in these situations and not a "pusher." I won't eliminate him, but he's less likely in my mind.

Of the remaining 4? Well, zak has read most "off." Meiz has been most helpful. Lewwyn and Serdoa are the most "risk-taker." Interestingly, all 4 were on Bigger on the only day that individual votes really mattered - but as potential white pack members, that's irrelevant. Also, all but zak were not on MNG on day one. So let me knock off zak.

Serdoa, Lewwyn, novice - thoughts?

[novice]

@novice - What was self-deprecating about what I said?

This screams newbie wolf:

Do all WW games make so little sense?

Gaspar, from your list I guess I'd have to pick Meiz or Serdoa. I don't agree with that result though, so I guess your argument is unsound.

I'm suspicious of Zak, but as a black wolf.

[Injera]

At the moment, I'd guess there aren't a lot of experienced players in the black pack. Their kills have been questionable (Rowain always highly lynchable, pling also pretty lynchable AND another wolf, which seems suboptimal.)

This is a fair point, especially if their announcement was as transparent as Lewwyn and I read it.

Doesn't eliminate him from white wolf consideration, of course.

What matters there is the fact that I was on MNG the entire day and had plenty of opportunity to really relieve the pressure on him, especially when I could have followed you off of him with the "flailing" defense. I didn't, instead I doubled down.

[pindicator]

I haven't voted for Lewwyn today. And yes we do always flirt this much, he's dreamy.

True, I jumped the gun. My mistake.

There you go again, hitting my random gut-feel unresearched assessments with your "logic."

Considering how much good i've done with my logic, I can understand the quote marks. btw novice, that is self-deprecation.

As for your rest I'll need to give it some thought. I said I wanted to look into people who were pushing hard on the Mardoc vote if it turned out he was innocent, and I haven't done that since I've been with family. But the names you bring up seemed some of the most intent on voting for Mardoc and least intent on discussing other options.

[Gaspar]

Gaspar, from your list I guess I'd have to pick Meiz or Serdoa. I don't agree with that result though, so I guess your argument is unsound.

I'm suspicious of Zak, but as a black wolf.

Well, perhaps. But I think the process is one we can pursue at this point - we have enough information to start sorting players into groupings of which side they are likely to be on. I think with small packs wolves are less likely to sacrifice one of their own except in situations like Commodore's on Day 3 where he was a dead man walking. Maybe if the spirit moves me I'll take a similar look at the black pack.

@Injera - I've talked myself out of you now. You don't fit the profile for either pack I don't think.

[Gaspar]

This is a fair point, especially if their announcement was as transparent as Lewwyn and I read it.

This is another good point in favor of newer players in the black pack. I can't see an experienced player trying that stunt.

[Injera]

Four wolfs in each pack sounds crazy and I don't think I have enough suspects to fill the slots either.

It's actually not all that crazy. Think of it this way:

Let's say we have 6 wolves total. The wolves successfully kill all the villagers through mislynches and night kills. The 15th villager is mislynched on Day 8. Night 8, whichever pack, let's say it's black, kills a white wolf. Then they have more people and lynch a white wolf as well. Game over. So before all the villagers are dead the white wolves has to kill a black wolf before the villages are all dead. But black realizes that, and has to preemptively kill a white wolf, and so on and so on. So a 15-3-3 game really turns into a 15-2-2 or worse. 13-4-4 isn't that bad for the village when you consider the wolves must kill each other to some degree before they kill the village.

[pindicator]

Novice, you posted once that I was being "intentionally dense" when i screwed up reading a post of Ichabod's. So why are you doing the same on what I post?

[novice]

Novice, you posted once that I was being "intentionally dense" when i screwed up reading a post of Ichabod's. So why are you doing the same on what I post?

LOL, what? Oversensitive, much? Do you dispute that you said "Do all WW games make so little sense?"

Obvious wolf is obvious.