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Rowain Wrote:Nope it would have been an infight between zak and me - ending with me getting lynched and zak walking away happily.
You underestimate yourself and the villager vibes you had emitted so far. We only scanned you because we were going to night kill you, and just wanted to make absolutely sure you were killable since having guaranteed nightkills seemed the best use of our scan.
Zak would have had a hard time lynching you I think, after all you often attack each other so some bias would have been assumed. 
I have to run.
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scooter Wrote:Or we could have just lynched Injera like I wanted?
vote count right before zak made a big post attacking me.
2v Injera (Scooter Bigger)
2v Bigger (Ichabod Rowain )
2v MNG (Thestick Jkaen)
1v Zakalwe (Tasunke)
1v Sareln (Zakalwe)
1v: Meiz ( Serdoa )
1v Serdoa (Meiz)
Again I did not want conflict with zak right there. I offered him the possibility to discuss but he chose to vote and I chose to nuke him.
And I have far more trust in zaks herding capability than in yours.
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Daytime was a huge factor IMO. Before Rowain's claim, which did set off a chain, Day 1 and 2 were pretty important for villagers. Day 1, before you all decided to lynch off Bob, you had 3 of the wolves under suspicion and half of them were cracking like eggs under the pressure! Novice being called out by Uber, thestick and waterbat having noobie struggles as wolves that were being picked up on and of course Injera was extremely stilted and cracking under the pressure. If you had lynched any one of the wolves Day 1, this game's dynamics change instantly. And look with 3 sleepers that is 9 out of 21 players. If you lynch any of those 9 you either get a wolf or gain a good piece of information. That's really good odds.
Fact is the Wolf kills and scans were pretty much the closest to optimal. There were no wasted night attacks until night 3. Zak was converted night 1 and Injera scanned Serdoa night 1 so he knew where to get a sleeper the next night. Night 2 everyone hit different targets and Injera converts Serdoa. There were no overlapping kills. There were no wolf on wolf kills. There were no wolf on Alpha fails. Every kill was effective. Even the silverblood kills killed a villager and each pack that hit a silverblood also hit a sleeper. The likelyhood of this all happening was extremely low. This is pretty close to best case scenario for the wolves. It was insane how lucky as a whole they were. And even then the village had a shot to pull it out in the end if the wolves hit each other.
Think about this. Night one Injera doesn't scan Serdoa. Waterbat dies. Injera does not have knowledge of sleepers. Injera buttons up and stops killing. Serdoa doesn't get converted. Game changes. Or Waterbat kills Novice night 1 instead. Novice dies but Zak is recruited. Short pack still has 2. Night 2 they kill Uber, Zak dies, Bigger is all alone and can't kill any more without giving up his night immunity. Or Day 1. Injera gets lynched. The Village discovers Alphas and their powers. Waterbat nightkills Molach and dies. Tall wolf pack is eliminated! Village knows about alphas and betas. At that point the wolves chances become greatly diminished.
You have to understand that the wolves had an amazing set of orders. No overlaps, no wolf kills, no failed kills. Perfect storm during the first 2 nights. I said at the beginning this game could have gone in any direction a strong wolf victory was one of those directions. A landslide Village victory was another.
I mean lets be honest. Bob really hurt the village. If you guys could have focused on ignoring him for a day or two you would have been much better off. He set the wolves on a good path. I think the only reason villagers lost power was because of how successful the first few days and nights were for the wolves.
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novice Wrote:You underestimate yourself and the villager vibes you had emitted so far. We only scanned you because we were going to night kill you, and just wanted to make absolutely sure you were killable since having guaranteed nightkills seemed the best use of our scan.
Zak would have had a hard time lynching you I think, after all you often attack each other so some bias would have been assumed.
Truth. Rowain you were the deepest cover wolf in the game. No one suspected you in the slightest. You had bigger on the ropes. If you had ignored Zak and focused on Bigger I think you could have gone all the way. He had barely even attacked you. I think the wolf paranoia got to you a bit. Even if you had been scanned, they couldn't do anything about it without claiming at which point they've committed suicide, much like you did.
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novice Wrote:You underestimate yourself and the villager vibes you had emitted so far. We only scanned you because we were going to night kill you, and just wanted to make absolutely sure you were killable since having guaranteed nightkills seemed the best use of our scan.
Zak would have had a hard time lynching you I think, after all you often attack each other so some bias would have been assumed.
If you know you are a wolf you don't believe in in sending out villager vibes. Especially if you are me and have my record. Additional I did have already a very hard time to come up with villagerish and scum-hunting posts so zaks post did hid a sore point.- I expect my attack on Bigger did the same  - Funny thing is this attack was already the best I could come up with and I found it weak indeed.
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Villa ge  win - sareln votes no lynch and tells wolves to do so. if not he will vote for the one that first votes something else. For example he says that if bigger makes a vote then he votes bigger, costing him the game. So mabye 2 votes no lynch, that is mayority. If noone is lynched (need ruling on how ties are handled without lead hunter) then wolves might reason themselves into killing each other. Because if one kills villager and other kill ...someone else then its a loss. Both kill villager for a draw.
Otherwise lynching self and forcing a draw (or rather a all-death situation) is certainly the second best way to go. Again who will be lynched if 3 people votes to lynch 3 different guys and mayor vote goes same way? Anyway a draws cool by me, we died but at least saved the rest of the planet. Draw between those who lived longest makes no sense as all end up dead. Not like diplomacy where the drawees still have large empires at the end. Wolves are free to argue, we outnumber them anyway.
Atm he is gonna hand the game to a wolfpack, which is a loss. Period. Yay we lived a night longer than Biggers bunch. Not.
So again my hopes go out to bigger, hope he can say something to make sareln change his mind. He will see this as well and point it out to sareln.
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What the heck is that smiley doing there? I never smiley. Stupid phone.
Comon Sareln, wake up. Draw or loss?
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Molach Wrote:So mabye 2 votes no lynch, that is mayority. If noone is lynched (need ruling on how ties are handled without lead hunter) then wolves might reason themselves into killing each other.
No lynch is not a vote. If 2 vote no lynch and the third makes a last second switch to the wolf it is still game over.
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Rowain Wrote:No lynch is not a vote. If 2 vote no lynch and the third makes a last second switch to the wolf it is still game over.
He can just self-vote.
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Okay. I did see no lynch as an acceptable vote on some other forum, was unsure about its use. It was to open up a possibility for village win.
I mean, imagine Bigger, Sareln and Injera are sitting in a ring. Bigger and Sareln votes no lynch. They do not to want to lynch anyone. Noone will be lynched. Is injera gonna lynch Bigger himself? Nope, Sareln will stop that, because he has stated that he does not want to lynch.
No lynch is very different from unvote. But okay.
Self-vote then. And what will happen then, is perhaps a no lynch? Or a random one, Lewwyn?
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