11:59 AM
me: hello big
bigger: hey
me: just found myself staring at the map again
12:00 PM
bigger: yes
hehe
so I just talked to scooter
plan was to support him into Lon and take BEL
but it looks like molach could defend that easily and hold LON
12:01 PM
me: yep
its too bad his fleet still isnt in IRI
then we could destroy the army this turn
bigger: so we discussed him convoying to WAL, supported by LVP
well thyen we wouldnt have lvp
me: we bounce in York then?
bigger: I could attack LON to take out the support
me: ok
12:02 PM
bigger: well
I think its more likely he just has the army and navy support each other, to guarantee to cores
me: yes
makes sense
bigger: but I was thinking.. that means either me or scooter doesnt pick up core (him if he vacates belgium, we didn't really discuss that)
12:03 PM
me: i was thinking there was a small chance if we moved NTH->NWG that molach might try to bounce us in NTH
bigger: I want to try to sell him on me attack norway this turn... I could be in position to make sure LON and EDI fall next fall, and take norway this turn, guaranteeing us both a core, and 2 more next year from england
me: how'd that go?
bigger: doesnt matter, I can support from DEN
i havent talked to him about it yet, i had to go afk and he was afk when I returned
12:04 PM
me: yes - DEN can support HEL into it
bigger: but Im thinking - NTH moves to norway, supported by SWE army. then HEL moves to NTH, supported by DEN fleet
12:05 PM
me: at first i liked having an army threatening STP as well
but that backs up our ships
i.e. well still have one in DEN and one in HEL
bigger: next spring, assuming rowain disbands the fleet, NWY fleet moves to NWY sea (NWG), if scooter bounces in WAL this season I can support him from NTH in the spring, he takes LON in the fall by himself, I take EDI in the fall by myself
12:06 PM
well
next spring the army will just move to finland
12:07 PM
plus w/ extra build I can build an army in Berlin <g>
me: yes that would be good
12:08 PM
bigger: anyway I'll float it by him, I still want BEL so it does mean I get more cores than him for awhile, but he'll catch up when he wheels around to Italy
me: and i think that if we are going to support against VIE THIS turn
that we might as well take NWY at the same time
it is sill to do one without the other
silly*
bigger: yeah that occured to me too
me: we can also leave Bel until england is resolved
12:09 PM
no big deal if he wishes
12:10 PM
bigger: yeah
well its whether he would prefer 1 build this year and 1 next, or 2 next year
12:11 PM
obv I'd prefer to do it now so I could move the army east, but I doubt I can sell him on that, and its not a huge deal
me: i was trying to work out some double convoys we could do
i.e. he convoys into WAL with A BEL - we convoy into YOR with A HOL
12:12 PM
that way we both demilitarize the border
but we give up on taking NOR this turn then
NWY that is
12:13 PM
and again - if we are going to help VIE, that should probably be done
bigger: hmm thats interesting
yeah, I think so
12:14 PM
me: oh
the other thing
12:15 PM
- we cant do NTH -> LON and still take NWY
and that leaves our ships bottled up
12:16 PM
bigger: yes
me: well Rowain won't get a build unless he disbands something - so we might still have NOR open next year even if we do help against VIE
12:17 PM
bigger: so he would have to risk the bounce, but he would still take LON next year either way, it would just mean his ships would be delays attacking Italy for a season
12:18 PM
you can't disband and build, hafta - lose a core (disband), then the next year gain a core (build).. regardless I'd rather him have to disband.. I guess there's also a chance he'll take BUD if matt supports him
me: if he gets kicked
12:19 PM
from VIE, he could chose to disband it
and then build
unless i have that wrong
bigger: you do
me: i dont think you are forced to retreat
bigger: unless the unit is trapped with no place to reatreat, it doesnt disband during retreat phase
oh?
12:20 PM
me: if you dislodge, you can chose to dissipate
bigger: hmm, I think you are, but I could be wrong, lets ask mardoc I guess
me: ill check the rules
bigger: ah, that might be right, i wasn't aware
anyway he will probably just retreat it into GAL
12:24 PM
me: If a unit is dislodged as a result of the move (overpowered by other players), the player must submit Retreat Phase orders that the unit either be retreated to an unoccupied adjacent province or else disbanded and removed from play.
12:25 PM
but yes a retreat from VIE to GAL seems better for him than a disband just so he can try unsuccessfully to hold NWY
although - it will be a pain in our ass if he does so
12:27 PM
bigger: I don't see why he'd rather have a tiny prescense in scanadanavia w/o a core, than a strong prescence in the south.. all my ships can't attack WAR or MOS, hehe
12:28 PM
me: i'd like to run a blind diplo game
or maybe myopic
12:29 PM
bigger: and if he did that my SWE army could march into STP unmolested
myopic?
you mean like gunboat?
me: blind means you can only see units that can support into territories you can support into (so 2 hops away)
12:30 PM
myopic is you can only see your own tiles i believe
but that puts a lot of stress on the diplo - as you have to explain to each other what is going on - and you have to trust a bit more too that someone isnt just completely BSing you about their unit positions
12:31 PM
novice said he would join a gunboat - but i dont know what he meant - the anonymous kind or the no diplo kind of gunboat
12:32 PM
well at least turkey can't take a core this turn
12:33 PM
assuming Rowain and Tatan get together
bigger: gunboat is just no diplo, not anonymous and you can see full board
myopic or blind sounds interesting, never heard of that before
well
if we had a choice, would we rather Turkey or Russia take BUD?
12:34 PM
me: hmm
yeah if Russia takes BUD he probably loses RUM in the process
bigger: I was thinking of encouraging matt to stab and take BUD, just to ensure Rowain has to disband
me: so thats a wash, but a gain for turkey
12:35 PM
bigger: oh, well, not if turkey doesn't stab him
actually I was hoping turkey would take RUM and let tatan keep bud
but I dunno if he'd do that, lol
me: heh
i think he's going to twist the knife now that it's in
12:36 PM
no need to let tatan hang around with that scar
bigger: hmm
meaning just kill tatan quickly?
12:37 PM
me: i dont think turkey is going to work to unstab him
is what i mean
bigger: well I didn't mean that
12:38 PM
me: i have no idea what's going to happen down there this turn - i think theres a good chance its a total clusterfuck of moves by tatan and italy again
bigger: but maybe work with me to take them both out, or make tatan a vassal, I dunno
me: and even turkey's moves were downright odd
bigger: yeah
me: like double supporting himself into AEG
12:39 PM
bigger: damn
me: i wouldnt be surprised if tatan turns to SER with help from Italy
bigger: tatan and italy both moved into SER
if tatan had supported TT he would have taken it, ser didn't have any support
me: and then we are left to bounce in VIE and Rowain gets a core
yep
12:40 PM
that's what i mean - a total cluster
bigger: hmm, chaos
me: they might try again is what i am thinking
12:41 PM
because they can cut support from greece
and take it perhaps
bigger: but not BUL
me: 3v2 though
12:42 PM
oh no
this is dumb
12:43 PM
A SER -> TRI, A RUM -> BUD
and VIE holds
bigger: yeah
he'll need TT to hit SER to cut support
but TT can't gain anything that way
12:44 PM
me: it wont be a support move
the A SER ->TRI move is just to cut possible support against VIE
they wouldnt have to play the guessing game
as to which will move BUD or TRI
they just hit both and know that VIE will hold
12:45 PM
this is all dependant on how closely Russia and Turkey are working together
i wouldn't put it past them to coordinate something like that
12:46 PM
and also - it cuts 1 potential support against SER
SER could still fall in that situation
bigger: well I'll be supporting into VIE, I'm sure they knwo that.. but they take whichever one moves into VIE, I know what you mean
me: no
not that they take it
12:47 PM
oh
yes
that's it
Tatan has to do ADR->TRI and TRI->VIE then
12:49 PM
bigger: yeah thats a thought
he's stuck back where he was before, but at least he has 3 cores, and my army to help him
12:50 PM
ok im trying of thinking about this for now, gonna get back to my game.. wanna post this in the thread?
12:51 PM
me: sure
