WW14 - The Edge of Reason

[zakalwe]

Anyone got a tally? I'm still willing to lynch Waterbat, for those who want alternatives.

[uberfish]

Votecount

VM (7) - Bigger Molach Pindicator Rowain Slowcheetah Waterbat Zakalwe
Bigger (4) - Injera Meiz Novice VM
Meiz (1) - Lewwyn
Rowain (1) - Jkaen
Sareln (1) - Twinkletoes89
Waterbat (1) - Sareln
Zakalwe (1) - Mattimeo

[pindicator]

If it's a two-horse race, I think Bigger is much more likely than VM to be a wolf.

I'm a slight VM lean, but a good argument can probably switch me back to Bigger. Because I still think slowcheetah made a very good point about Bigger trying to discuss meta rather than hunting wolves, and I remember that being something zak, commodore & I did in WW12.

So looking beyond day 1, who would lynching us give more information about? I kind of think Bigger would.

[Rowain]

A VM lynch feels like a classic mislynch to me. Someone breaks protocol and gets lynched for it. I understand the argument, and his play has struck me as uncomfortably aggressive and, to be honest, somewhat unthinking, but the thing is that even without his posting restriction we have no baseline to judge his conduct in terms of alignment. Newbie protection is not just for the newbies, it's for the village too.

I don't vote for VM because of his aggressivness but because he does not explain why he thinks novice and Jkaen are obvious villagers.


@waterbat I have no clue what it is called in english . IIRC in Hockey it is overtime so I thought it is the same here. (Both are called Verlängerung in German).
And now we have penalties to decide the first finalist.

[Jkaen]

Dear me, VM is a really aggresive player who has done nothing wrong, and I am not convinced on bigger, I think we yet again have a double village lynch up here.

Slowcheetah has been asking people on everybodys opinion on our non-voter, why dont we bus TT as a non helpful alternative?

[Injera]

I'm a slight VM lean, but a good argument can probably switch me back to Bigger.

My suspicions of Bigger come from him overstating his cases against waterbat and Rowain: Post 151

More than that, though, I just don't think we really have a handle on judging VM. I don't think we know enough about that guy at this point to know if his behavior is really wolfish or just his natural play style, and we always seem to end up lynching the odd ducklings.

@zak- I'm not really open to switching to waterbat. His initial vote was really bad but it doesn't seem like the sort of vote he'd make as a wolf from my experience with him last game.

[zakalwe]

In the meantime Waterbat reads as suspicious to me now as he did day 1 last game. Jumping on dogpiles or being eager to start them on a player when there is no case on that player seems very wolfish to me.

Injera, in post 151 you just quoted the last sentence above, and called it hyperbolic. But reading it in context above, you will see that Bigger was talking about Waterbat's behavior in the previous game. At least that's how I read it, and why I didn't find it suspicious.

The main reason I don't like a Bigger lynch is that there have been some very dodgy votes cast for him. People who are targeted by dodgy votes tend to be innocent. TT might make a good lurker lynch (he will probably get himself lynched before all is said and done, anyway), but I think he makes a poor information gathering lynch.

[slowcheetah]

The main reason I don't like a Bigger lynch is that there have been some very dodgy votes cast for him. People who are targeted by dodgy votes tend to be innocent.

Which votes for Bigger do you consider to be dodgy Zak?

[Meiz]

I understand it as he's talking wb's behavior in this game.

[zakalwe]

I was thinking of Waterbat and VM's votes, mainly. I also wish Novice could talk freely, to explain his reads, because I haven't agreed with all of them. (And I usually do.)