WW14 - The Edge of Reason

[pindicator]

GG VM, i hope you stick around for the lurker thread so we can hear your thoughts without the l33t filter

[waterbat]

TT,

Congrats to your wife!

Seeing Jkaen see how waterbat, bigger and slowcheetah start discussing reads on me and then vote for me as an 'alternative' lynch seems a bit of a visible attempt to try and get momentum on to me, maybe to save a friend of his?

As such, the pressure of my single vote falls on to Jkaen as I feel he has overtaken Sareln in my estimation now.

Jkaen never discussed myself or bigger. Here's his post:

Dear me, VM is a really aggresive player who has done nothing wrong, and I am not convinced on bigger, I think we yet again have a double village lynch up here.

Slowcheetah has been asking people on everybodys opinion on our non-voter, why dont we bus TT as a non helpful alternative?

Also it was 7-4 at the time with 28 minutes left to go before deadline. I'm not sure Bigger was gaining any momentum that was going to push him over the top.

I think you are clearly setting up further mislynches here - myself and bigger.

In my mind (yes its a terrible place to visit), your actions clear myself and bigger.

I dont think you would have inserted bigger into this post if you were his packmate setting up some kind of claim that you pressured him later.

Anyway, Im going to try to be quiet at night now

Wolves beware: I cut myself earlier today and I swear there was a streak of silver that flowed out.

[zakalwe]

Bigger was getting some movement so him. He was the only real threat to VM at the later stage

When Slowcheetah started polling for opinions on you, Bigger was indeed in the lead. But when Jkaen picked up on it and voted for you, VM was quite clearly in the lead. So I don't think Jkaen was trying to save Bigger.

Cross-posting with Waterbat.

[Twinkletoes89]

TT,



I think you are clearly setting up further mislynches here - myself and bigger.

In my mind (yes its a terrible place to visit), your actions clear myself and bigger.

I disagree. I have in no way cleared any of you.

I was just mentioning that you three had been talking in the thread about me, and then he comes into vote. You could all be in on it for all I know, or none of you! I simply stated a fact and never mentioned the possible alignments of those I was mentioning.

I think that you've jumped the gun a bit here in being uber-defensive about being 'possibly mislynched'. Protesting a bit too much maybe?

I don't see how your mind can think I'm clearing anyone, because I haven't.

[Twinkletoes89]

Also, I got the timings wrong. I thought there was nearly an hour to go so that there was still a possibility of a late vote swing to bigger.

I was obviously wrong, but that was my thinking.

[zakalwe]

I don't see how your mind can think I'm clearing anyone, because I haven't.

From what I can gather, he thinks your actions clear him and Bigger, because he thinks you are scum.

[Twinkletoes89]

From what I can gather, he thinks your actions clear him and Bigger, because he thinks you are scum.

But isn't that just ridiculous circular logic?

He thinks I'm setting up mislynches of them by 'clearing them' so I am scum.

I am scum therefore I must be trying to set up mislynches.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[waterbat]

But isn't that just ridiculous circular logic?

He thinks I'm setting up mislynches of them by 'clearing them' so I am scum.

I am scum therefore I must be trying to set up mislynches.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

no it isn't ridiculous circular logic.

Here's the logic:

After a mislynch was set (in the case of VM vs Bigger - it was fairly set at 7-4 with 28 minutes to go), only a wolf would craft a post that tried to extend suspicions on other mislynch candidates over to the next day. And I don't think that this wolf would include a fellow wolf on his list.

Based on this, I think you are scum, as zakalwe pointed out. Yes, maybe "cleared" is too strong a word, but I feel a lot better about Bigger than I did before your post. Your post clearly stuck out as trying to continue suspicions on both Bigger and I after the day was already decided. I've called it out, is all. You could have made your post against Jkaen without including bigger and I on that line and I think it was unnatural to do so.

If you had made some other case independent of Jkaens post and were restating it at end of day, that would have been different. As stated it seemed wolfish - and as I rarely get wolfish reads - i jumped on it.

[Bigger]

I just want to add to the above conversation that nothing TT has said makes me feel better about Waterbat .

[Bigger]

So I've been thinking of this for the past few hours, and decided to move forward. I was hoping (and thought likely) VM would roll wolf so I would be cleared, but since he didn't, I think it would be better if I role-revealed. Now, before the night phase is over. It may get me lynched tomorrow, but I don't mind living up to my user title - and my role won't help the village any, but could hurt the village - better to prevent that.

It occurs to me that after the day 1 action a village seer, whoever he is, might choose to scry me. That would be a waste.

I am a vegetarian werewolf. I don't like meat, and the bad werewolves hate me for that. I don't communicate with any other wolves or have any inside knowledge of who they are. I win with the village and count as a villager for the village win condition.

At first I thought this just meant I was a vanilla villager with a goofy flavor role, but it occurs to me I also have the unfortunate power of turning the seer into a fool, if he scans me. I will scan wolf, since technically I am - but I am on team village.

My fear is that 1. a village seer will waste his scan on me 2. even worse, the lynch would appear to be skipping me day 2, and the seer would feel the need to come forward to guarantee my lynch and save the other target, thus exposing himself to the wolves without anything gained.

Anyway, I don't think revealing helps the wolves any, except possibly increasing the chances of my mislynch tomorrow (after day 1 I'm pretty sure I'm safe from a night kill anyway, or else I wold not be revealing) - if thats the case, so be it - better I get killed than a seer gets night killed with nothing gained.