WW14 - The Edge of Reason

[waterbat]

4 wolfes from 16 players seems to be ok.

I find nothing ok about 4 wolves roaming arround our village.

I think you meant perverse.

I actually was swayed by arguments on voting for Jkaen. I wanted to return to TT with timing.

For "scheme tag" ( slow cheetah autocorrect ):
Blackmail, no. Check - I voted quite a bit before Jkaen showed up. I just wanted to give us data points. It tells us a lot if Jkaen refused to switch to TT. In fact, swayed by those earlier arguments, I expected this to happen. Because look at jkaen's 'I wanted to vote for TT, but I'll have to vote for injera'. I saw this as a chance to see if he (Jkaen) was indeed being truthful with that statement. The post seemed llike something a wolf would say to distance himself. Also if now TT flips wolf, helps jkaen's case. If injera flips wolf, also helps his case in my opinion. So ..... Given that Jkaen has acted thusly AND I feel one of injera or TT is probably furry, I do feel better about jkaen's innocence level.

I'm really slow on my phone and herding kids, guys. Costed last time with rowain and probably 20 people since then.

Yes confirmed this is cross posted back to slowcheetah's blackmail question. Add poor cell coverage to my list of ailments.

Rowain: I might have used the wrong terminology. Anyway please let me know if I can clarify further. I pressed Jkaen into service yes, I like how he responded. Also, llewyn might be right on TT. Do you have someone better in mind that isn't named after a fictional starcraft unit?

[pindicator]

if you're asking who lewwyn wants votes on instead of TT, he's been pressing for Injera.

[waterbat]

No, was asking rowain.

[pindicator]

Rowains last two votes were slowcheetah and mattimeo.

[Twinkletoes89]

Waterbat, why are you so keen to seemingly prove Jkaen's innocence?

He's not in danger any more it seems (much to my dismay) and I don't like how you are basically trying to say that whatever myself or Injera turn out to be, it will help prove his innocence.

This is what really holds me back from voting Injera, there seems to be too much effort to clear Jkaen with nothing substantial to do so which is why I think he was the one possibly being saved, not Injera.

This (as I have pointed out before) is not me saying Injera is innocent, more that I think Jkaen isn't and that the wolves may have been trying to save him. They may have given up Injera for dead but didn't want two wolves on the block so needed an innocent to go against him.

This would fit with waterbat now trying to say that if Injera is a wolf, Jkaen is innocent which would justify why they let Injera go (to give cover to a wolf in Jkaen).

[pindicator]

TT - can you lay out what your case is against jkaen? Rowain and I laid out some counter-points to what had been said earlier so I want to know if you have something besides the "ate day 1 vote

[Mattimeo]

Reminder: Discussing this game outside the thread isn't allowed. I know there's a player overlap with the ongoing Diplomacy game, but please keep the games separate.

My bad. Will endeavour to ensure it does not happen again.

I'm thinking Sareln & Mattimeo are pinging wolf. Do you agree or disagree?

Strongly disagree to at least the second name listed being wolf :D


Looking like a vote on Jkaen is relatively pointless at this stage. So for my vote to matter, has to be either Injera or TT, and TT is just looking way too inept to be a wolf right now...
unvote: Jkaen
vote: Injera

[zakalwe]

I haven't seen anything out of character from Twinkletoes. He's intensely paranoid and sticks his foot in his mouth at regular intervals. Nothing out of the ordinary, IMO.

Why are people voting to lynch him?

[Twinkletoes89]

TT - can you lay out what your case is against jkaen? Rowain and I laid out some counter-points to what had been said earlier so I want to know if you have something besides the "ate day 1 vote

Certainly.

He first tripped my radar with the late vote, which I feel was an attempt to capitalise on the discussion of me at the time to have a 'safe' vote away from the two lynch targets to avoid suspicion. Also by being someone calling for a swing to a third party, he covers himself against a mislynch because he could argue that he was trying to get someone else lynched. This would also cover him if Bigger had been the main candidate for lynch today and (possibly) mislynched. Therefore I start to see him as a candidate for trying to be a 'deep-cover' wolf.

Since then, he decides to vote for me effectively because waterbat offered him a deal to do so and has not really had to justify it as waterbat is taking the heat on that.

The rest of my case is based upon the reactions of a few others to him. I feel that when he was in second place on the lynch vote, an effort was made to get him out of the firing line and I was a convenient person to lynch instead. I see some people, such as Lewwyn, who try and discredit me rather than my arguments, trying to make me more and more lynchable but not really going after my arguments.

Add to this waterbat's seeming attempt to try and prove Jkaen's innocence when he is pretty much out of the firing line just seems to scream at me that there is a concerted attempt to get Jkaen accepted so he can go deep cover.
This last post seems to set Jkaen up to be innocent whatever happens and set up another mislynch.

1 - Injera is a wolf -> Jkaen suspected him thus is villagery
2 - Injera is villager -> Move on to trying to lynch me.
3 - I am lynched and revealed innocent -> Lynch Injera and prove him innocent (maybe)

Each of these possibility buys time for the wolves which is all they need to try and secure more mislynches

[slowcheetah]

Ok guys I'm not going to be around this evening come lynchtime (pub:neenernee). My vote is locked in on Twinkletoes