WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[Molach]

Oh yeah, let's not forget the villagers win if "all threats to humanity are destroyed". An argument to say both Marr and H'minee are NAP.

Surely there have been friendly aliens in TV/games/series before?
E.T is not a threat to humanity.

But Lewwyn does get a slight nudge downwards towards scumminess. Still vrey confident villager. A NAPper would probably have read the PM a bit better, specially about the fake name...

However if we believe that Lewwyn is a honest villager (perhaps go a bit further back than last hour to determine this) then this at least proves beyond doubt that Marr was given a fake name. So the roleplay aspect is in place. Everyone roleplays the name, except the aliens who roleplay their ...other name.

But why would lewwyn need a fake name?
Only reason I can think of is so the other alien wouldn't go after him. But is there any need for Lewwyn to not reveal the Marr is NAP first day like he did? Anyone else than lewwyn got thoughts on this?

But then again why admit he had a fake name in the first place? It got him vote right off the bat. As NAP would he admit it?

[Serdoa]

Oh and i think both you and Marr are NAP

Jkaen, I can follow most of your logic though I don't agree with it. But the part above which I quoted I really can't understand what you mean. If they are both NAP, why is Lewwyn telling us that Marr is NAP? That does not make sense in the slighest at all. I can believe that they are both not villagers, I can believe that they are each their own faction. But I really, really doubt that there is any explanation how they both could be NAP with how Lewwyn played.

As for Maniac... well, when I read his last posts I just want to

Maniac

I'll get back to that after I had dinner.

[Selrahc]

But why would lewwyn need a fake name?

Because ALIEN NAMES ARE INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS IN AND OF THEMSELVES!

By revealing his name, Lewwyn makes himself a target of heavy scrutiny to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge of SMAC lore. Bigger clearly knew this.

Aside from that, I think Lewwyn has been acting in a suspect manner all game, and you'd all be mad to trust anything he says at any point. At least until he wises up and starts giving better explanations than "Whoops. Guess I just didn't read my role PM.".

[Meiz]

But why would lewwyn need a fake name? Only reason I can think of is so the other alien wouldn't go after him.

So that Nap doesn't night night kill him right off the bat, if he would have chosen to held the info?

But is there any need for Lewwyn to not reveal the Marr is NAP first day like he did? Anyone else than lewwyn got thoughts on this?

Don't see much reasons, unless he'd have more reasons to be afraid of night kills.

But then again why admit he had a fake name in the first place? It got him vote right off the bat. As NAP would he admit it?

Seriously doubt it.

[waterbat]

Selrahc, why go and blow my mind thusly?

If h'minee is Marr and this whole hunt for marr thing is a fiasco? ?? If so we lynch bigger. That's just too devious. This would mean that the name-seer needs to scan H'minee/Marr in order to discredit him. I guess Serdoa could also reveal him. But if a NAP, he'd been nearly immune to lynching. Seems way too overpowered, right?

This is all too impossible.

[Injera]

Getting caught up. Am I reading this correctly that the post with the picture is not flavor text?

[Sareln]

This is overwhelming. Will try to tease some sense out of it.

First things first though, Serdoa for Mayor/Planetary Governor.

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I'm inclined to believe that Lewwyn is not NAP. If he was, I imagine one or several of his teammates would have brought up the "Are you sure you don't have a human name to claim?" in the pre-game phase or in the 72 hours encompassed by the first day and most of the first night.

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I'm really not happy with Molach hiding his drone status while Mattimeo and I went to the mat last day cycle. If he hadn't been called out by Waterbat (channeling a connection w/ a name seer) and the alien thing hadn't taken forefront, we'd probably be looking at a day with me v. BRickAstley. That would be 3 mislynches (Mattimeo, Me, BRickAstley) for the price of one NAP Molach over the course of 4 days, which sounds like rock solid wolf play.

There's an alternate scenario to the drone saga where BRickAstley is the NAPper, but I find the NAP Molach situation significantly more likely due the timing and nature of the role claims.

I need to think more about whether or not we can tease out Waterbat's alignment from what's already gone down.

Molach

[zakalwe]

I see the meta reasons for suspecting Lewwyn, but he really reads as innocent today. He seems to be stretching a little at times, but not as if he's trying to mislead us. More like a villager who really knows he's right and is trying hard to convince his peers.

I think we should give him more time, and see if Marr does in fact show up. A NAP Marr would not automatically clear Lewwyn, but it would certainly be cause for a reevaluation.

[waterbat]

here are the PMs I have received from slowcheetah. I put in a summary of what I said to him. There arent many - he had forgotten about the telepathic tunnel - I believe he was drunk when we initiated it.

I sent an intro email explaining i thought he was village so i picked him. I wanted to gather villages to run influential, but false, wagons and see who followed us at key voting inflection points. I also brought up the idea of using a code to continue to operate after the tunnel was closed. we'd have to communicate in the open.

Hey Waterbat,

Currently the best time to reach me is about 11:00-18:00 GMT. Since I'm off of university at the minute and seem to spend the evenings drunk.

Out of interest, why did you pick me? I got from one of your late day one posts that you were only giving me villager credence on the very narrowest thread. Were you suspicious of the big names (Lewwyn, Meiz, Zak, novice etc?)

Why do you think your power would have failed on Catwalk?

A codeword system sounds good, but I'll try to think of a word when I'm less intoxicated (tommorow).

Sorry for all the questions just wanted to give you a reply straight away.

All the best (I'm off to watch futurama )

slowcheetahh

Because catwalk died. I was thinking it was funny if I could talk to his spirit for the day - Bigger would bar him from posting or going into the worker thread, but we could still talk.

Ok, having looked at the thread I see why catwalk wouldnt have worked now :P.

Pretty interesting choice for the kill. Personally just on instinct I think Meiz and Zak may be wolves. They seem to be trying to blacken Lewwyn day one for very silly errors/ Which seem unlikely errors for a wolf Lewwyn (who really really wants the role) to make.

I told him I suspected Zak for inactivity reasons (I ended up posting this in the main thread) i also sent him a note about not agreeing with a thestick lynch at all - on day 1 i was supporting thestick. prompted him about the code again.

Well Zak, like the rest of the big players tend to get going on the second day or later when there is some actual information.

I agree about thestick I'm getting a village read on him as well. Briefly considered him, but he's just making too many errors (yes I realise errors seem to be my main wolf indicator :P).

I'm going to sleep in a few minutes but just a quick thought on code words. Maybe we should have a few

1) I think they are a villager
2)I think they are a wolf
3) Recruit?

I forget what I sent him next, but didn't get a response for almost the whole rest of the day. I did send him a simple scheme for indicated to each other our preference for a wagon candidate - and who we suspected.

Crap I forgot. I like the suggestions although people are pretty much instantly going to pick up on them. Fake bandwagon thestick maybe. I'm still really suspicious of pindicator.

Actually thestick would be a terrible idea. I'd like to know more about Jkaen although that wouldn't actualy be a fake bandwagon

I sent him a last minute message, but it basically said who i was going to talk to next so we could coordinate.

[Injera]

Okay, I've wasted to much time thinking about this. I can't fathom any situation involving Lewwyn being NAP that doesn't involve an incredible number of moving parts.

Could it be a feud? Maybe... but that would mean the primary purpose of the name seer would be to settle the feud. And arguing there's no name seer gets back to the too many moving parts thing. I'm just not seeing a way where Lewwyn isn't likely a villager, or at worst actively hunting a NAP.

It's possible he could get tunnel-vision going after Marr, though, so I'll put my mayor vote on Serdoa.

But why would lewwyn need a fake name?
Only reason I can think of is so the other alien wouldn't go after him. But is there any need for Lewwyn to not reveal the Marr is NAP first day like he did? Anyone else than lewwyn got thoughts on this?

I can't think of a mechanical answer but maybe that's just how the power was envisioned? "We have two aliens who can't use their real names, but one of them is village and knows the other is a wolf."