WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[BRickAstley]

I just realized that the face winks and smiles after he shoots himself. That seems kinda weird.

[Meiz]

I thought that Meiz meant 'neural' instead of 'neutral' given he's immune to mindworms.

Argh

[Serdoa]

And most frustrating, how does his last vote clear his name? He was on Selrahc, up until right after Selrahc claimed Baner. Now it would be bad for a wolf to keep voting on a claimed villager, so he has to move over to Injera to make sure that he isn't suspect. It's not like he had any sort of noble choice there. But he didn't even move right over to Injera! He unvoted first, and I have no idea how that would count to help the village any, other than a hesitation to vote for one of his fellow wolves.

Totally agree with that BRick. I also don't think that his vote for Injera was any sign of being a villager. Though I also think we have other players who scream wolf even more.

Gah. I didn't know WW would make me wanna so much. I feel you Lewwyn.

If it hurts, you're playing it right

That's the other thing that frustrates me. We have confirmation of a second faction/person being able to kill at night, both due to a second kill in a night, and the death of a person with the ability to be immune to it.

Well, that person was NAP though. So if that picture that was posted was the truth it indicates for me that the NAP has to fear them more than we do. Interesting to consider. If we lynch Meiz and he is NAP as well (as I assume) we can be pretty sure that the mindworms are indeed on our side. Or maybe they kill him for us this night anyway.

And no one cares. I don't know if it's just a static hidden 3rd faction, or some sort of Cultist deal that's been recruiting, or even just a serial killer. Fact is it's there, and I don't think anyone could convince me otherwise, and nobody, NOBODY seems to care. Since they're a threat to the village too, why don't we try to at least somewhat find them out before they win?

Why are they a threat? Lets just transcend together No, seriously, I think you are wrong that nobody cares. We have just realized that we need to catch the NAP right now as that is the threat we can see. That 3rd faction might exist, but our discussions won't get us anywhere because we just don't have enough information about them.

[Bobchillingworth]

I don't want to overly focus on a third faction at the moment because we have much more solid information on the wolves (relatively speaking). It's not that I am precluding the possibility of one or deliberately ignoring it. But if we look at the list of players here who could be third-party, it's honestly just about everyone, whereas I think we can exclude a reasonable amount of people from being Wolves.



Btw

Now I know that real life reasons for being absent don't even matter in these games though, so I know that no one cares about that.

Please don't think that- I entirely understand that someone may not be around to change votes or whatever within a certain timeframe because of RL. But I know nothing about your personal life or whatever, so unless told otherwise I just assume deliberate action on your part.




RE: Sareln, you do have a point. I was thinking that he could have just dropped the Selrahc vote and not voted for anyone else (which actually he did, for like a minute). But reflecting on it now, that wouldn't have tied up the votes & forced Serdoa to make the call- it would have just been 5 votes Injera to 4 Selrahc, and Injera would have hung regardless. Perhaps he realized this and that's why he immediately placed a vote on Injera, to make himself look better. So I concede that I'm giving him too much village cred. Doesn't clear you, but means the Drone Saga endgame is less cut and dry than I thought.

[waterbat]

Wow. Well - I'm on phone so can't effectively go back and quote.

Remember when thestick was to be hanged? At that time we also knew about both sets of neighbors. I surmised then that bigger had given each of the teams a mind worm infection. tasunke flipping innocent meant to me that Meiz was innocent. I then indicated I thought thestick was the mindworm. When he hanged and flipped an evil alignment, I stated that injera was likely the same alignment. Now that injera flipped wolf I still feel strongly that thestick is the mindworm for the NAP team. Brick seems to have picked up on the same idea, but Serdoa's post, if right on Meiz, completely blows it away.

So tl;dr, I'm still confused. Night actions tonight are going to be interesting. If the "tag less" kill is brick or I, please lynch thestick. I don't think the wolves can frame him as their kill will come with a tag and the NAP supreme leader taunting us, right?

Selrahc, i think you need to post who you put the bane on each night and why. We only had 1 kill the first 2 nights - the information might be useful. If you are dead, we don't get it.

Jkaen, if zak isn't Marr, and selrahc isn't lying, who are you? And Will you vote to lynch slowcheetah again? Feel free to wait for morning.

[waterbat]

I'll answer my own question: If zak isn't marr, and selrahc isn't lying, you are Marr. I don't think that's true however - zak is marr. Selrahc might be lying. What are you ? Hidden secret Drone #4???? Thestick's mindworm daddy?

[Serdoa]

You outed our nameseer with your last post, good work.

[BRickAstley]

Re: Third Party: Yeah, I do agree that there is much less evidence on them. My fear is that while we take our time whiddling down the number of wolves, the mindworms will nestle themselves into a winning condition. I also agree though that we have nothing concrete to base any attacks on tem with right now, so the best plan is to continue hunting wolves. Just dont forget about mindworms. Also, I wouldn't place any trust on that picture of Bigger's, that seems either too fluffy or possibly sent by someone else.

XPost w/ Serdoa: What do you mean? I read over waterbat's statement and I didn't see anything that could be tied to a name seer there.

[waterbat]

You outed our nameseer with your last post, good work.

Not any different than my Post where I did the groups.

Marr group (selrahc, zak, jkaen)
Drone group (sareln, brick, molach)
Worm group (Meiz, injera, thestick)
Other (Serdoa, bob, waterbat, maniac)

So. It's pretty narrowed down, yes, but the information has been out in the thread for some time. Even before that post.

What's the problem at this point anyway? If they block or kill a name-seer and we keep our baner+alignment-seer, that's great. Right? What am I missing? Unless you don't believe selrahc. Then your comment makes some sense.

[waterbat]

I had llewyn in "other" as well. I guess I could put him in the marr group too. Again that is sick if he's pretending to hunt himself and was given his own target as cover. Too sick for me. Although..... No, I'm not going there.