Well see, here's the deal with the manifesto. I was going to begin writing it right before I made that post, and even though I kinda thought it was hopeless for me at that point I went ahead and started writing it up. As I went through your posts though, it was tough to see anything that was really jumping out at me as being wolfish. Sure there were a few things that didn't sit necessarially right to me, like a vote on thestick for not voting in a large amount of posts when you've done similar before, but I've gotten maybe halfway through without anything else additional huge of note that I can find on you.
That said, my main arguments, until I finish reviewing your posts at least, are some of the same as before; it is suspicious that you did not reveal your role as a commuter until you were accidentally forced out by waterbat. If you are village, then it would seem to make more sense to me for you to have claimed as well when the whole sage was being brought to light. Staying in the shadows while another innocent villager who was purported to be the same as you in power seems odd. That as well as the fact that you have such a valuable village showing and have not been killed for it.
Side note: regarding the Molach Files, from now on I'm disregarding them. While they have worked to ensure your innocence, I think that they could be written up by anybody on any side of the matter, and are completely unverifiable, both in that you actually wrote those notes just like that, as well as the timestamps. I'm not saying that you're a liar, I just think that they should not play into any additional consideration. Let's stick with the current data that we have on people in this thread, which cannot be disputed.
Now, I agree both that we've gotten kinda heated in the last few posts, when it is better to try and think things through logically. And that I've been stupid in my dogmatic devotion to attack due to the meta of what the drone sage *should* be. My recent attack on you I think was fueled by outrage after Sareln turned up innocent, because I had been so sure of his villany that I was shocked.
I suppose I do. But again, I wasn't thinking along those lines when I decided to go ahead and staple. I was buying into the metagame, and figured that your ability had ot be different than you said it was, some sort of nasty NAP power. Of course, without a role-seer (Unless that's Maniac's secret), there's no way to veriify what your power I killed truly is or not.
Neither one of us HAS to be NAP. I just thought that you had to be. So if you really are a villager, I'm sorry for screwing you and the rest of us over.
I'm saying if here because there are a few beefs I have still. Right now though, I think that you are a villager now that I'm thinking about it with my head on straight again.
And I'm as tired of my own stupidity as you are. THis game saw me start with mis-comments and votes on Sareln and Lewwyn in the first two days, where I made glaring mistakes and kinda reclused out of my embarrassment. And just not I was afraid that with this final mistake of attacking Sareln and stapling you that my game is over. And it probably very well still is. But I want to answer your questions now, and try and offer any commentary that I can on the other people now, so that I don't finish out stupidly and can still be some help to the village even if I am killed.
Yeah, that's roughly my thinking process. I;ll try and type up my own version of the drone sage from my own thoughts.
*Game Start*
"Okay, so I have a power that is able to stable the drones to prevent them from rioting. My role PM does not state at all what drone riots do, so either I'm not supposed to know, or the riots can do different things for different drones. It is also an atrocity, so I can't use it for a while, and it's probably a risky power."
*UN Charter Repeled*
"Well now the atrocities are able to be carried out, but I don't yet know what mine does. It seems powerful, but with a potential to be misused, so I'll tell the village about it and ask for any advice on the matter."
*Matt dies*
"Sareln has been acting very wolfish, and based on what I've read on tells, I think it's very very likely that he's a wolf. I'll keep trying to make him come to light or get him lynched if he doesn't prove himself village.
*Sareln dies*
"Okay now I'm completely confused. Sareln was innocent, even though everything points to him being bad. And now everyone is already getting ready to kill me. My ability has to be useful for something, and even though I haven't gotten an strong wolf tell on Molach, there's no other option. Unless there's a fourth drone out there, but this far into the game that just seems unlikely or impossible due to various names claimed. If I die, then my ability will completely go to waste. I have to use it on Molach, because he's the only one left and I can't let him get away with somehting evil if I do die."
So that's why I did everything that I did. No secrets.
I've gotten so caught up in the drone saga that I've tunnel visioned away from trying to read other possible wolves vry well, which I see now is piss poor. I've had vauge feelings about thestick and Maniac for a long while, and a bit of one on Jkaen since he's gotten in the spotlight recently, but I could not give you an argument about any of them right now. Tonight I'll take a look on them and see if I can dig up any dirt on any of them that looks like it has some wolf tells to it, but idk how much I'll be able to ascertain. So that even when I die later, which I think is all but certain, hopefully I'll be able to still have been some help.
That said, my main arguments, until I finish reviewing your posts at least, are some of the same as before; it is suspicious that you did not reveal your role as a commuter until you were accidentally forced out by waterbat. If you are village, then it would seem to make more sense to me for you to have claimed as well when the whole sage was being brought to light. Staying in the shadows while another innocent villager who was purported to be the same as you in power seems odd. That as well as the fact that you have such a valuable village showing and have not been killed for it.
Side note: regarding the Molach Files, from now on I'm disregarding them. While they have worked to ensure your innocence, I think that they could be written up by anybody on any side of the matter, and are completely unverifiable, both in that you actually wrote those notes just like that, as well as the timestamps. I'm not saying that you're a liar, I just think that they should not play into any additional consideration. Let's stick with the current data that we have on people in this thread, which cannot be disputed.
Now, I agree both that we've gotten kinda heated in the last few posts, when it is better to try and think things through logically. And that I've been stupid in my dogmatic devotion to attack due to the meta of what the drone sage *should* be. My recent attack on you I think was fueled by outrage after Sareln turned up innocent, because I had been so sure of his villany that I was shocked.
Quote:And do you seriously not see difference between "Wolves will probably not go after Molach as he can protect self, so Selrahc can protect one of A, B or C" and "Selrahc must protect one of A, B, C, Molach"?
And did you not notice that selrahc has gotten blocked recently?
And did you not see that most people had me on innocent list?
I suppose I do. But again, I wasn't thinking along those lines when I decided to go ahead and staple. I was buying into the metagame, and figured that your ability had ot be different than you said it was, some sort of nasty NAP power. Of course, without a role-seer (Unless that's Maniac's secret), there's no way to veriify what your power I killed truly is or not.
Quote:So I'm voting for him because of stupidity, not because one of us has to be NAP. Why must one of us be NAP again? And I guess I'm voting because I'm angry with him for screwing a villager like this.
Neither one of us HAS to be NAP. I just thought that you had to be. So if you really are a villager, I'm sorry for screwing you and the rest of us over.
I'm saying if here because there are a few beefs I have still. Right now though, I think that you are a villager now that I'm thinking about it with my head on straight again. And I'm as tired of my own stupidity as you are. THis game saw me start with mis-comments and votes on Sareln and Lewwyn in the first two days, where I made glaring mistakes and kinda reclused out of my embarrassment. And just not I was afraid that with this final mistake of attacking Sareln and stapling you that my game is over. And it probably very well still is. But I want to answer your questions now, and try and offer any commentary that I can on the other people now, so that I don't finish out stupidly and can still be some help to the village even if I am killed.
Quote:IF BRick is a villager, he has now seen two drones lynched with the commuter ability. He looks on his PM again, since IF he is a villager he has not lied about this. And he thinks 'why was I given an atrocity that stops drone riots if all drones are good?' He has saved the power because he thought Sareln was guilty and did not want to mess with my power. Because every thing indicated that I was village, the posting, the diary, the vote on Injera. But a villager power that is not useless, but plain harmful to the village has rarely been seen in these games ('fool' role springs to mind). Bigger would never do that. So contrary to all evidence Molach must be NAP, his riots do something else, and I must stop that.
Yeah, that's roughly my thinking process. I;ll try and type up my own version of the drone sage from my own thoughts.
*Game Start*
"Okay, so I have a power that is able to stable the drones to prevent them from rioting. My role PM does not state at all what drone riots do, so either I'm not supposed to know, or the riots can do different things for different drones. It is also an atrocity, so I can't use it for a while, and it's probably a risky power."
*UN Charter Repeled*
"Well now the atrocities are able to be carried out, but I don't yet know what mine does. It seems powerful, but with a potential to be misused, so I'll tell the village about it and ask for any advice on the matter."
*Matt dies*
"Sareln has been acting very wolfish, and based on what I've read on tells, I think it's very very likely that he's a wolf. I'll keep trying to make him come to light or get him lynched if he doesn't prove himself village.
*Sareln dies*
"Okay now I'm completely confused. Sareln was innocent, even though everything points to him being bad. And now everyone is already getting ready to kill me. My ability has to be useful for something, and even though I haven't gotten an strong wolf tell on Molach, there's no other option. Unless there's a fourth drone out there, but this far into the game that just seems unlikely or impossible due to various names claimed. If I die, then my ability will completely go to waste. I have to use it on Molach, because he's the only one left and I can't let him get away with somehting evil if I do die."
So that's why I did everything that I did. No secrets.
I've gotten so caught up in the drone saga that I've tunnel visioned away from trying to read other possible wolves vry well, which I see now is piss poor. I've had vauge feelings about thestick and Maniac for a long while, and a bit of one on Jkaen since he's gotten in the spotlight recently, but I could not give you an argument about any of them right now. Tonight I'll take a look on them and see if I can dig up any dirt on any of them that looks like it has some wolf tells to it, but idk how much I'll be able to ascertain. So that even when I die later, which I think is all but certain, hopefully I'll be able to still have been some help.
Go get 'em village. Hang 'em High.