WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[BRickAstley]

Also, Meiz is suspicious... Serdoa was very very suspicious of him before his death, for what I felt were quite valid reasons, but I'm not sure I'd peg him as NAP. He is my current pick for "the whisperer".

Hmm, this is an interesting point as well. I'll need to look back at what Serdoa said.

Birthday party for the wife's sister, I might not be back before deadline. I'll do my best to come back and check in case there's a sudden development and I need to say anything/change vote.

[BRickAstley]

One last thought: Though based on what both of what Maniac and Waterbat said they seem to be setting each other up for death, I still think waterbat didn't go about that in the best possible way. If it comes to it I really don't like waterbat as well and would be interested in seeing him hang. Problem is that there there's less of a chance he's NAP I think still, and Lynch or Lose is fast approaching and I feel like I would need a little bit more certainity on him before lynching if at all possible.

[Bobchillingworth]

I'm really torn. I was going to change my vote to Molach with this post, but then I decided to delete it and start over. Maniac may just be a villager who frankly is not very good at this game, like Jkaen. I don't want to make the same mistake twice. But Molach is almost the complete opposite, when he posts there is often supernaturally helpful stuff there like the diary and those posts where he discusses scenarios where he openly says the village is screwed if he's a wolf. Would a wolf do that? Hell yes. That's exactly the kind of stuff I'd write were I a wolf, where I put myself out there for consideration in such a way that people are willing to just let me slide by.


But then I think back to Maniac bragging about how he has never voted for a villager lynch. That's really more a wolf claim than a villager's - villagers do make mistakes, wolves on the other hand know exactly who to avoid voting for if they want a perfect record. Meiz's analysis of Zak's hunting Maniac is interesting (and good research, thanks for bringing it back up), but I really could read it either way, a strange wolf obsession vs. a villager, or a cover move that ended up not paying off for Zak (but might for Maniac).



This game is really frustrating now. I've never actually lasted until the end as a villager before, longest I made it previously was when I was a vig in the FFH game, and got night-killed mid-game right after I took out a wolf.

[Meiz]

I'm simply disbelieved that no-one is interested in going after Selrahc

Did anyone go back and read the accusations Serdoa had against me? And that is the only reason he mentions why he finds me suspicious.

Really, can any of you find his own thoughts for Nappers for the whole game? I don't remember him suspecting or even talking of novice, Zak, Injera. Only thing I can remember is the campaign against Lewwyn. Zak had the power to make double vote against Lewwyn, so it makes sense. Generally he just looks from the sidelines who is the villager target of the day and follows. Or discusses metagame.

[Bobchillingworth]

Only thing I can remember is the campaign against Lewwyn. Zak had the power to make double vote against Lewwyn, so it makes sense.

Except this doesn't! That's the real issue for me. Why didn't Selrahc and Zak just join Jkaen and Maniac who were already on Lewwyn, double-vote him, and get him lynched? Hell Injera at that point could have piled in as well, if it was that or lynch. That would have spared Injera plus killed the player Zak knew he had a vendetta against. But Injera instead voted for Selrahc, Selrahc for Injera, and Zak said some nonsense about Maniac and didn't touch Selrahc or Injera. This just makes no sense to me if all of Injera, Zak and Selrahc are wolves.

[Bigger]

lynch votes:

maniac - bob, molach, BrickAstley, waterbat, maniac*
selrahc - meiz
brickastley - Selrahc

* this time the suicide vote is right

2.5 hours until deadline

[Selrahc]

And that is the only reason he mentions why he finds me suspicious.

I find you suspicious of being a whispere for a few reasons.
1. Correlation with your known abilities and your character.
2. The way you are talking about the third factions. It strikes me as if you are trying to throw misinformation into play in a quite casual manner, brining up phantom serial killers. If you are the third party, this is great shakes for you as it keeps people guessing.

I do think you nimbly dodged away from Serdoa's accusation though. He was absolutely adamant that you were the obvious one to lynch... then he died and it was only briefly mentioned again, and I'm not terribly sure why. I think some of the reasons he found you suspicious could also apply to you being a third power. One of Serdoa's main arguments was the wording on your role PM being phrased differently to the two village neighborizers but identically to the NAP neighborizer. I think this would of a certainty be true of a third faction neighborizer as well...

Generally he just looks from the sidelines who is the villager target of the day and follows

I disagree! I've been a fairly sparse poster this game, but I think my votes and arguments against Sareln weren't herd following, and I think my vote against BRick today similarly isn't.

Although perhaps you're mainly worried about my meta speculations, because you don't want people puzzling you out.

[waterbat]

In bathroom at macaroni grill. 7 minutes to lynch - its decisive, right? 6-1 maniac including maniac himself??

[Bigger]

In bathroom at macaroni grill. 7 minutes to lynch - its decisive, right? 6-1 maniac including maniac himself??

5-1-1, actually, but maniac hangs.

Give me 10-15 mins, working on write-up now.

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It wasn’t unusual to see Yang and Santiago at each other’s throats. They were always fighting each other. Actually, they were always fighting everyone. There was a reason neither was too popular – between the two of them they had skirmished with just about every faction on Planet. This was different, though – harmless border skirmishes were one thing, an evil NAP conspiracy was another.

“Only a NAP would staple a legitimate member of this sacred council. Clearly you are guilty!” Santiago yelled.

“Oh, NOW you love the drones, do you? Where was that love a few years ago when you stapled the rioter’s at Sparta Command? You are in fact, suspicious! You are the gun nut here, not me – you haven’t told us what toys you brought to this meet yet. Confess and let your conscious be clear – you’ve been killing us one by one with your fancy guns, haven’t you?” countered Yang.

“I DO have a secret weapon. I’m not giving it away to a NAPster like you, though! It only works if it is kept a secret.”

“That doesn’t even make any sense Santiago.”

The quiet empathy spoke up. “I know what it is. She talked to me, just now, with her mind. She claims to have bought a piece of the Citizens defense force with her. She tells me it will enable her to survive an attack from the NAP’s. I tell you this only to establish her innocence – I am much more suspicious of that quack doctor.”

In the end, however, no one believed her. She had told them a lie or two in peace negotiations before, and now it was time for her reckoning. Sveensgard held her down while the rope was tied. Yang flipped the switch and her body was released. With a snap, Colonel Corazon Santiago was dead.

Maniac, Colonel Santiago, Planet survivalist was lynched on day 7.

You are Colonial Santiago, of the Spartans. You are a villager.
You have built the Citizens Defense Force, which gives you have a onetime night kill immunity. The first night you are targeted by a night kill, you will survive the attack. You will not be immune to any future attacks.
You win when all threats to humanity have been destroyed.