WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[novice]

Yeah, it was day 3 of that game -- after I was night killed and certain thestick was scum that game -- he had a lot of quote-then-respond posts. But most are only around the 3-quote range; nothing as big as what he did to start off here.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=727
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=758
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=779

Do you see a striking difference there?

Hm, yeah those posts are quite similar to his opening post here.

The point is- why would you expect something you would do as a wolf to be a wolf tell in someone who plays differently than you?

Also. what's a quote multiple button?

It's not just something I would do as a wolf - I think it's a pretty generic way of playing wolf for someone who does not have a lot of experience doing so. Thestick played wolf once, right? But that was in a multi-faction setup which doesn't really compare, since you can do genuine scumhunting there.

Also. what's a quote multiple button?

"Multi-quote this message", to the right of the Quote button.

[Injera]

And finding it incredibly suspicious. Of course, logically I understand that Injera is unlikely to make so obvious a slip. But I can't stop fixating on it.

Incredibly suspicious of what exactly?

You're not making the slightest effort to explain yourself, or even say, "Hey, you've misunderstood, here's what I meant." I've tried to give you openings to do so, but you're just lashing back.

[Injera]

ATM (could easily change, its early) - I trust Zakalwe and Gaspar. I also find thestick and Injera suspicious, and also think the village can gain information from a wagon on either of them.

What have Zak and Gaspar done to earn your trust? What makes you think thestick and I are suspicious?

[Jkaen]

Yousee, the bullshit response to my vote is why I dont think youhave that many alternate suugestions raised on day 1. I made a vote that I clearly admitted was just a tiny step beyond a joke vote and people still jump all over it.

Given that why on earth should people try to voice original thoughts on day 1 if they will just get crucified on it.

As for Tansuke's alignment. given his claim I expect he is either a wolf or a vanilla villager, I would be shocked if he lied as a villager and has a power role. maybe he has played on his reputation and fooled me, but I doubt it.

Going now to standard day 1 reactions I guess I now shift to somebody who voted for me, Rowain seems to always find me suspicious, so I vote Meiz as he should know better

[Jkaen]

Oh and given Zak's comments in the lurker thread from last game, I will try to channel my inner Lewwyn an defend my mislynch a bit more fearsly this time around

[zakalwe]

About thestick's opening post. The reason it's scummy isn't only because of the format, but also because of the actual questions. Go back and read it, and you'll see that he actually states zero opinions of his own. It's all about asking open-ended questions where the answer is sure to incriminate either the person answering or the one he is suspecting. Meanwhile, thestick doesn't have to get his hands dirty.

For example, he asked me "Injera reading Catwalk as not being the kind of person to lie about real life feels suspicious to you?" All I had said was that Injera's defense of Catwalk made no sense. But thestick wants me to enumerate reasons why Injera is suspicious, taking it one step further. Alternatively, maybe I would give a clumsy answer and draw suspicion on myself, instead. An innocuous question for sure, but when all you do is ask innocuous questions, something is fishy.

(Yes, I'm exaggerating a bit here, but I'm trying to convey the tingling feeling his post gives me.)

[zakalwe]

Oh and given Zak's comments in the lurker thread from last game, I will try to channel my inner Lewwyn an defend my mislynch a bit more fearsly this time around

Glad to hear it.

I also want to comment on this:

While I don't want to defend Injera (and now I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway), I don't think wolves would jump to my defense. I'm good at defending myself, and if I was faking inactivity wolves would know about it.

This doesn't make much sense to me. How would the wolves know you were faking inactivity? It seems like you're making an argument for why a wolf Injera wouldn't defend you if you were also a wolf. Am I parsing this the wrong way, or did you slip up?

[Catwalk]

Injera, I play in PBEM37 with Waterbat and I posted about my potential absence there as well. So Waterbat's comment about me actually being busy doesn't necessarily imply that he told me in the mafia thread.

I acknowledge that Injera could be a wolf trying to gain town credibility, but everybody knows I never hang So I think a mafia would pick a better target for that plan. And please don't get any ideas about proving my feline lynch immunity wrong

re: Jkaen, I would like to request that every townie under suspicion goes down kicking and screaming, late switches can happen. I tend to see it as a sign of guilt when someone gives up defending themselves, and it's a very anti-town thing to do as a townie.

Bigger, I put a vote on you (with at least half a reasoning) and your only reaction is to say I look townie? That smells a little wolfish to me. I also like the case against thestick.

[Catwalk]

Originally Posted by Catwalk
While I don't want to defend Injera (and now I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway), I don't think wolves would jump to my defense. I'm good at defending myself, and if I was faking inactivity wolves would know about it.

This doesn't make much sense to me. How would the wolves know you were faking inactivity? It seems like you're making an argument for why a wolf Injera wouldn't defend you if you were also a wolf. Am I parsing this the wrong way, or did you slip up?

I'm not sure why that was a weird statement to make, or are you hoping to trap me with this line of questioning? I'll bite: If I was mafia, I would make sure to inform my comrades of my plans. If I was faking inactivity, I would let them know and I'd keep communicating with them in the mafia thread. Seems obvious to me they'd know if I was faking it or not? And yes, I was making an argument for why we're both highly unlikely to be wolves. The premise for my post was that I was argued to be a wolf, I didn't catch the point about suspecting Injera on grounds of trying to gain town credibility.

[zakalwe]

The premise for my post was that I was argued to be a wolf, I didn't catch the point about suspecting Injera on grounds of trying to gain town credibility.

I wasn't trying to trap you, I just noticed the thing I've bolded above. It seemed strange to make an argument from the perspective "I'm a wolf", but maybe I didn't catch the full context.

Your explanation makes sense, although it does leave me wondering a little about the part that I didn't bold.

And just to nitpick, when you say "we're both highly unlikely to be wolves", surely you mean that it's highly unlikely that both of you are wolves (which is a different claim).

Anyway.. let's just say you have 8 lives left.