WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[waterbat]

Azza can't seriously be voting for me. Must be error.

Injera, voted in you for the immediately prior post. Preferring novice as mayor??

Agree that uberfish not thinking tasunke would be first to claim is odd.

[Injera]

Zak has made a pretty good argument against thestick, no need for me just to restate what he has said. I'd like to see thestick respond to it, so its staying there at least until he does.

For my sake, could you state your reasons for voting thestick in your own words?

Injera, voted in you for the immediately prior post. Preferring novice as mayor??

Well, you could have just asked. Yes, I prefer novice as mayor. If he's a villager- and I haven't gotten any scum vibes from him- I think he'll bring his "A" game since it's been so long since he's been a villager. And he's a pretty competent player.

On the other hand, I'm never sure what to make of Zakalwe. I say this every game, but it's true. He's jumped in a few times to "take bullets" for my top suspect. He did a similar thing for me last game. Thinking about it, that's probably me taking my argument (and lack of traction thereof) a little personally, but I'm still uneasy with him as mayor with other candidates available.

I'd also prefer pindicator or Serdoa (yes, eating my words from last game) as mayor over Zak if anyone is interested in an alternative.

Agree that uberfish not thinking tasunke would be first to claim is odd.

I don't think this is that odd. I had never really noticed it until it was brought up this game, and I believe I've played in every game that Tasunke has.

[Tasunke]

hmm, are Qqqq, Lewwyn, and Sareln all wolves?

no matter, my strongest read is on Sareln anyways.

looking at the mayor vote tallies, it looks like my vote on Serdoa (for mayor) may not do much good. Therefore, I think that perhaps I should land my vote on Zakalwe for now.

[Azza]

Azza can't seriously be voting for me. Must be error.

Wasn't an error. Your post, #29, struck me as being quite suspicious.

[Gaspar]

Alright, incoming wolfy spam post where I try to cover everything that came up about me while I was at work so we can move on. (Or at least so I can.)

Incredibly suspicious of what exactly?

You're not making the slightest effort to explain yourself, or even say, "Hey, you've misunderstood, here's what I meant." I've tried to give you openings to do so, but you're just lashing back.

This just isn't true. I've explained myself several times over - while maybe you're not satisfied you can't honestly say all I've done is lash out.

I find this post by gaspar a bit suspicious.
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My problem with Gaspar post is his fifth comment. This one:

"[*]Catwalk finds he has time to play."

What does it have to do with the rest of the post? As far as I can tell, nothing. Gaspar already admitted that his early comment about Catwalk probably lurking as scum wasn't one directed to his behaviour here, but only an hipothethical one. So, I get, from that, that he didn't suspecy Catwalk.

His case in this post, as can be seen by his vote, was against Injera. He suspected Injera due to the Catwalk defense. So why add that little snippet about Catwalk finding time to play? The only explanation I can see for this is an attempt to herd the cats, to add strenght to his argument based on a thing that doesn't have to do with the argument itself, it's just indiciary.

Thing is, that's not how Gaspar usually rolls when he's a villager. He's not a cat herder. If Zak made the same thing (and he did things similarly this game already, like inflating the interpretation of a post to make his case better), it wouldn't be a scum tell, becuase that's Zak's way of playing.

As I said earlier, I try and herd cats. I'm actually generally good at it late in the game, since I never die unless I'm scum, but early on when all you stubbornfolk are still alive I rarely convince anyone. Still, that's not really what I was going for here. Honestly, I'm just laying out everything I see as mildly suspicious. I found the entire Injera/Catwalk situation... peculiar. Let me bold this next part.

The primary reason I voted Injera over Catwalk is that Injera's actions are the prime reason for my real suspicion.

My Catwalk comment was just a generic quick analysis, the type of which I make all the time, and I standby due to my insight into his personality - I do not believe Catwalk has the comportment to play actively as scum. That's not an insult or slight, just my perception of his personality. That's all. My Injera vote is largely due to what I find a peculiar early defense of what was a fairly meaningless comment. That's a scum read. So I voted Injera over Catwalk because my purpose is not getting people to agree with me on anything, its to make the best scum reads I can. Right now, I feel more comfortable with an Injera read than the Catwalk one, though Catwalk is also a better option than most in my mind.

Well, I didn't like the initial Catwalk vote. I mean, someone opens up by saying they might not be around for the next 48 hours and you vote for them?
If it's a joke vote what's funny ha ha about it?

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There are a couple of things here. First, this is an overreaction to what amounted to a pair of votes less than an hour into the game. Second, he's calling his Catwalk vote a joke vote while simultaneous sticking up for it. He's equivocating on it, he's not standing by it but can't let it go without providing a reason. You pointed out that the read, "Catwalk would lurk if scum" was a good insight but ask yourself why is it there in the first place?

I'll address the second point first. I wasn't overreacting - Rowain and I have a long standing love-hate relationship going back to WW2. I always think he's unnecessarily fixated on me and made the joke about the Gaspar fan club. Adding you and Bigger to it was just an extension on the joke - something I think the people who've been playing with me for a while got. You've seen me overreact and lash out before - this wasn't that.

On the first point, joke vote was probably the wrong term, it wasn't funny. It was just a first vote, meaningless. But I had a little germ of an insight, so I threw it out there. Take it or leave it or overreact to it.

Huh? That fifth point relates pretty clearly to points one and two. Catwalk started drawing heat based on the theory that he was deliberately lurking. He then promptly delurked. I don't think it's strange to regard this as suspicious, and as far as I can tell, this is pretty much exactly what Gaspar was getting at.


Again... huh? It was quite clear IMO that he suspected Catwalk and Injera as a scum pair. He couldn't vote for both of them.


I disagree with pretty much all of this. Most crucially, I don't think it was unclear that he suspected both of you.

Yeah, agree with everything here. The crux is that I suspected them both, but had a stronger scum read on Injera so that's where I voted. Plus my general aversion to getting into a bloodbath with Catwalk again.

And, by the way, catwalk announced in the pre-game thread that he was going to be away (he made a joke about beeing a weekend to drink), so from the start everyone could know he wasn't faking his absence.

Honestly didn't remember this. But if that's the case, doesn't he have even less reason to make that first post?

I think I can better verse my thoughts now:

Gaspar post seemed to be more of a "throw suspicions around where they fit" then a "I suspect player X". The line between such posts is very thin, but then again, that's normally what we have to go about early.

It was throw reads out. I don't have high conviction, because it is day one and our evidence is limited. But I have some, so I threw both out there because I'm not trying to get a specific person lynched - I'm trying to shine some light on a situation.

Anyway, I'm not sure how much else I can explain here. I'm not even angry, mostly just surprised the extent to which there is a "dog with a bone" about this. Hopefully my next post will be about someone else and scum hunting.

[Lewwyn]

This part sort of stood out to me. Perhaps both Sareln and Lewwyn are wolves? Or maybe just wolf-Sareln is trying to cozy up to Lewwyn? not sure ...

still, its enough of a wolfish read to get me unsure about my Lewwyn vote for mayor.

Therefore, perhaps I shall vote either Zakalwe or Serdoa for mayor.

Who's trying to cozy up to who Tasunke? A few posts ago you wanted to be my best friend as soon as someone else does the same thing you do you edge off? Competition for my affection is too scary it seems.


Catching up in the morning is always a pain. Something that struck me earlier was Injera's tone and aggressiveness. I really think that Injera is a villager. That said I don't see the argument against Gaspar, probably because I also suspect catwalk. Either way more important fish to fry.

The other big argument here is thestick and I'm on board to a point. My only issue is he's only got one post so we can call this a definitive lynch. So come on thestick.

[Gaspar]

Additionally, I'm going to swap my vote for mayor to uberfish. Mostly because I trust my ability to read him more than anyone else. Zak is giving me the strongest town vibes but I generally think he carries enough power without the title, so I'd rather spread it around a bit until I have better reads on more people.

[Lewwyn]

sorry, should be: can't call this a definitive lynch*

Still waking up :zzz:

[Tasunke]

Hehe, very funny Lewwyn :3

Seriously though, you just don't quite seem as village as you were in earlier games. But then again, its kind of hard to tell since you don't tend to start crusading/hunting until day 3 or so.

Still, voting you for mayor was, in my opinion, was a good first move for when there was no real intel or reads ... but now I think I'll back off for a bit.

[waterbat]

Bigger said thestick wouldn't be one to disappear, but he did that last game after the first day of attracting a lot of heat, he fell off the map day 2.