WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Tasunke]

Why don't you lobby for a novice-lynch then? Apparently you are quite convinced he is a wolf.

Well, even though Novice's cred *IS* slipping, I think he still has too much village cred to actually get a lynch, well, as early as TODAY at least.

I mean, whether due to wolves, disagreements, etc, the voting today has been pretty split. Which is good, to an effect. Active, split voting days give a LOT OF INFORMATION later down the road. I mean, just look at novice supporting Sareln so easily. If Sareln flips wolf, Novice may well be seeing the gallows next. If we don't get to lynch Sareln today however, there may not be enough evidence on Novice for some time.

Just thinking in general here, if either Sareln or Uberfish flips wolf, Novice will look more guilty. Now, I've given my reasons for switching off of Uber, but I STILL think that we will have a solid wolf lynch here on Sarlen.

[Serdoa]

uberfish, I am pretty certain that Ichabod is a wolf. His whole play is exactly the same as the last time he was a wolf. I'm not sure how this can't be seen. He talks, talks, talks... and afterwards you have learned nothing. And no, that is not because he is defending himself - because you also learn nothing new about him. And he admits that people think different and that he might have had the focus on other parts of the post, just to put his focus again on those other parts instead of finally putting any defense against the real accusation.

Thats so typical Ichabod-wolf, it hurts. I learned the hard way that you have to be aware of that, because you easily put him into the villager camp due to "emotional" reactions or simply because of his lenghty posts.

Oh, and honestly, I would antagonize you as much as possible uberfish, were I a wolf. Start an infight with another player, in most cases, all others will get bored and simply ignore you and move on to others.

[Ichabod]

I really want to make people see my innocence, but right now, this doesn't seem to be working so well. And having been defending almost all day long, coupled with the number of players, I haven't been able to make a judgement on every player. Especially the ones mostly lurking are difficult for me to make a judgement about.

I'll vote for any player in order to save myself, though, because I know about my innocence and that's good enough. I confess that I don't have much to say about Sareln. While I prefer voting for Catwalk or Gaspar, Sareln and Pindicator wouldn't be objected. Uberfish would be a harder vote, but again, if it's to save myself, I'd be up for it.

At any rate, Sareln.

[Twinkletoes89]

I am prepared to step back from uberfish, as I do have a nagging feeling that this is just a clash of two stubborn people a la me and zak in pretty much every game.

You make a decent case for voting Sareln, Tasunke.

I'm just not sure. It feels an incomplete case, but then if I wait for a complete case I'll be waiting a long time.

Sareln

[Mattimeo]

I don't know if anyone has raised the idea that zak might have been killed off, in preference to other high-profile targets, specifically because of his anti-Ichabod post. Specifically, the fact it could be used to mount a reasonably effective attack without zak there to clarify points, or back down later.
Indeed, most of the arguments against Ichabod seem to be pulled directly from zak's post, which is making me slightly suspicious of the whole wagon...

this is not strange at all. I have said all day I want Sareln OR uberfish, I think most of the Sareln voters suspected uberfish as well. Apparently Sareln has done a good job defending himself, (I still think he's guilty, but whatever) so as soon as it seemed easier to lynch uberfish than Sareln I was happy to switch.

I don't get this idea of being happy to switch between the two. I cannot countenance the idea that they are both scum, given the similarity in the jump onto me, off me and onto you - scum doing things identically just seems like a really bad plan, at the best of times.
So I have to ask - why do you not care which of them is lynched?

I'm keeping my vote on Sareln. Not really liking how fast that uber-wagon formed.

[Rowain]

I said similar, not unique. Rowain, don't twist my words. You're smarter than that and it makes me think it's deliberate.

And why do you omit the people who went straight from Mattimeo to Bigger without an unvote? Why exclude them from your suspicions?

Why are you defending Sareln?

I don't see anything similar to your voting. The 2 that come closest are a known wolf (he did unvote like you) and TT.

I think the wolves would be abit suicidal if they move directly from one save thestick waggon to the next like Sareln&uberfish. In fact I think there are wolves trying to use those 2 and their actions to get some mislynches.

[Serdoa]

I don't know if anyone has raised the idea that zak might have been killed off, in preference to other high-profile targets, specifically because of his anti-Ichabod post. Specifically, the fact it could be used to mount a reasonably effective attack without zak there to clarify points, or back down later.
Indeed, most of the arguments against Ichabod seem to be pulled directly from zak's post, which is making me slightly suspicious of the whole wagon...

I guess Lewwyn would be very annoyed right now. I would suggest you go back and actually read his post regarding Ichabod. His suspicions are not related to the post zak made (or rather, they started with Ichabods answer to that post). Mine also have nothing to do with what zak wrote.

[Mattimeo]

I guess Lewwyn would be very annoyed right now. I would suggest you go back and actually read his post regarding Ichabod. His suspicions are not related to the post zak made (or rather, they started with Ichabods answer to that post). Mine also have nothing to do with what zak wrote.

ah, my bad. slightly sleep deprived at the moment.

[Serdoa]

I don't see anything similar to your voting. The 2 that come closest are a known wolf (he did unvote like you) and TT.

I think the wolves would be abit suicidal if they move directly from one save thestick waggon to the next like Sareln&uberfish. In fact I think there are wolves trying to use those 2 and their actions to get some mislynches.

Well, maybe they are suicidal? Maybe they simply didn't want to lose a PR on Day 1? Maybe they assumed that Bigger had enough people suspecting him that it wouldn't be that obvious for others?

Or maybe they were simply taken by the events and reacted without thinking enough about it first? After all the events all happened in a really short time-span. I could see how someone could make a bad play there unintenionally.

And I really wonder why I need to tell you that... or why you seem to be told quite a few things this game.

[BRickAstley]

Official Lynch Vote Count

Sareln - 7 - Merovech, Mattimeo, Arromir, tasunke, Pindicator, Ichabod, Twinkletoes89
Ichabod - 5 - Lewwyn, Injera, novice, Serdoa, Gaspar
uberfish - 3 - Azza, Bigger, Waterbat
Pindicator - 2 - Rowain, Sareln
Selrahc - 2 - Jkaen, Qgqqqqq
Twinkletoes89 - 2 - uberfish, Molach
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Selrahc
Azza - 1 - Catwalk
Waterbat - 1 - Meiz

Players not voting: None

Official Mayor Vote Count

novice - 9 - Merovech, Rowain, Injera, Jkaen, Molach, Meiz, Mattimeo, novice,
Lewwyn - 7 - Sareln, Qgqqqqq, Bigger, Azza, tasunke, Arromir, Lewwyn
Serdoa - 2 - Twinkletoes89, Serdoa
Bigger - 1 - Pindicator
Sareln - 1 - Catwalk
Waterbat - 1 - Waterbat

Players not voting: Ichabod, Selrahc, uberfish