Niccolò Machiavelli's Thread

[zakalwe]

One would think TEAM could chop an archer in Losing.

It has no first-ring forests. They could conceivably build an archer in four turns by working the bare plains hill and chopping a second-ring forest for 13 hammers. I think it's more likely they're building a warrior, but we'll see.

[darrelljs]

Sorry out of town now but my vote is to keep attacking. We can't win with peace but we can lose in style with war.

Darrell

[plako]

No worries. Lewwyn haven't send any suggestion to us, so we'll keep attacking.

[plako]

After we've played next turn and assuming TEAM can't prevent us getting at minimum 2*Axes against their lone Archer we could send them some kind of deal proposal. Here is something we could start from. Additions/corrections would be welcome.

TEAM,

It seems to me your odds of keeping Losing are not very good so why not start Winning and gift the city to us against border deal and NAP...<our suggestion here>.

Regards,
Trolls

[novice]

That's good. We have to be a bit careful in how we phrase our border claim, I think there's a chance TEAM hasn't scouted out the marble.

[zakalwe]

Something like: they can have the gold but cannot settle south of it. We will settle a city west of copper (just give the location relative to Pitboss3) and nothing east or north of that city. They cannot infringe on the BFC of that city. NAP of whatever duration they wish.

Edit: for quick reference:

[darrelljs]

Back from my trip...if we want to send a message I can do so.

Darrell

[plako]

No hurry. I think we want to see whether they get 1 or 2 Archers in the city before deciding the contents of the message.

[plako]

Opened chat with Lewwyn. I apologize if I offer too much, but getting Losing and gitting them settler would be a decent win to us. Just let me know, if I'm offering too much.

me: Hi

Lewwyn: hey

me: Just one question - Are you ready to negotiate gifting Losing to us?

Lewwyn: hmmmm

me: that city will be useless to you for a long time
Instead we could sign a peace and possibly give you settler for it
Of course I need my team's approval for everything
Just checking before I finish the turn

Lewwyn: allow me to bring the deal to my team? A settler might swing it

me: ok - I'll wait for your response
cya

Lewwyn: k

[novice]

Settler for city is ok if we get a border deal we're happy with.

Actually if we get a fair border deal and we get the city now, whereas they get the settler when it's ready, I'd be happy. The city must be a net drain for them now anyway.

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With everybody warring and Gillette settling inland, maybe we ought to reconsider GLH? If Gillette get GLH it's GG.