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Epic 20 - T-hawk

That's a good question, T-Hawk. I think the patching issue (3.17 appearing out of nowhere mid-game) was a major factor. Anyone who was involved in another endeavor - like succession games, multiplayer, or our Demogame at Apolyton - probably went ahead and patched right away, making their result a shadow game. And I certainly don't blame anyone for lacking the interest to play out a shadow game that wasn't going the way they wanted.

This isn't exactly the first time a patch has wrecked havoc on one of our events! smile
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T-hawk Wrote:...
Perhaps that's a clue that the currently active members of the community don't want difficult games? Maybe we want games with the label and appearance of difficulty, but that turn out easily winnable (Winter Wasteland, The Gauntlet) so we can feel good about ourselves?
For me, the challenge is the only reason I am still playing this game. (Although at this rate I'll finish at the same time as the Demogame gets to Classical era smile ) The reason I am not enthusiastic about these events now is that it's hard for me to be enthusiastic about a game I've played well over a dozen time. And I would guess many others share the same attitude. So you'll see the activity pick back up with release of Civ 5. smile (Assuming the experience there is sufficiently different.)

Going back to an earlier discussion, I think diplomacy in CIV is less random than people think. It might be very chaotic (small changes in player actions lead to large changes in outcome), but it's not very random. Some people always complain about their games being love-fests with all wars involving the human. Others see constant fighting and get dogpiled frequently. Since this tends to happen to the same people, it might be benefitial to try to figure out the differences in playing style that lead to these differences in outcome.

One difference I can think of the the effort player puts into appeasement. In situations like the one in this scenario, I give in to all demands and make AIs can't make demands I can't honor. (e.g. never researching or buying Theology in game where we weren't allowed to convert to Theocracy.) In this game, I didn't open borders with Darius until he stopped being disliked by most of my direct neighbors.

Another difference is the overall troop level. I didn't disband any archers in this scenario, but my SoD was always under two dozen units. So while I didn't look too weak, my power level wasn't enough to trigger an arms race. (I noticed that when one of the empires shoots up on the power graph, the rest of AIs ramp up military production to catch up. And once they have lots of units sitting around, they are more likely to use them.)

Finally, some AIs declare war whenever they see a tactical opportunity. (Unprotected worker on the border, poorly protected border city, etc.)

What about the people who suffered a dogpile? What were your diplomatic moves, power levels, and border situation?
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Being determined to try to win the thing, I replayed this one a couple of times. In one of my replays, a bad wedding event quite early on led to a war between Hannibal and Darius, with Cathy joining Hannibal's side with a basically phoney war. If I understand correctly, the events are sort of prescripted, so there would presumably always be some sort of wedding event, but depending on which religion Hannibal caught and decided to go with, I imagine it could have been a joyous occasion and if the provoking party wasn't willing/able to spend the money necessary to blatantly insult the other side, Hannibal and/or Cathy might have not gotten involved and been free to pick on someone else. I suspect that this particular event could have played a major role in how well people did, as it's much easier to stomp just Monty than it is to stomp Monty and two fast teching financial civs while trying to build a functioning economy from scratch.
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T-hawk Wrote:I was blown out before the game even started. Four wars before 50 turns had passed: Catherine in 100 AD, Ramesses in 100 AD, Hannibal in 280 AD, and Monty in 350 AD.

Ouch! Even the peaceful Ramesses, on a different continent, declares on you in 100AD eek! Presumably bribed by Catherine though. Monty was actually the last to attack you lol.
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