WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[thestick]

BRick[/color]

[BRickAstley]

I'm finding BRick a bit suspicious. He first tries to act dumb, but he catches flack for that and stops doing it. He then tries multiquoting, then catches flack for that and stops doing it. Now, he's explaining himself. It feels like he's fishing for what strategy will work.

That first question was put there in order to generate real conversation and end the silly first votes, which it did. The multiquoting was done to prove that point, and I will do it 100 times more if I need to to prove a point or to bring more information to the forefront. Just because all of my posts aren't the same doesn't mean i'm adopting and de-adopting strategies.

My strategy is to do as much scum-tell hunting as I possibly can as long as I'm alive. I had a feeling before this game started that anything that I do will be viewed with very large amounts of suspicion after how I played the WW15 game. So as long as I'm still alive in this game, I'll be looking at what people post, and do my best to find anything that I can that will give us clues to find the wolves.

[Rowain]

.... to find the wolves.

My petwolf is called Lady but you wont get it

[Bigger]

I'm glad I'm not the GM that has to sort through this time mess to decide which is now the actual vote

@Lewwynoki


@TT I'm voting for you because this post of you :

As always, too little to go on for me to put my vote anywhere, but a couple of thoughts so far.

Coco did go defensive a bit quickly, which is pinging my scumdar, but it could very easily be first game paranoia - so its not really enough to read one way or the other.

The Brick post looked odd to me, seemed to be almost trying too hard to seem pro-town so early by asking how we get to making serious votes after the almost obligatory unserious start. Nudges a little scummy but not enough either.

Hopefully the further reactions of these two and the reactions of others to them might be more revealing

sounds alot like someone fanning the flames on two (easy) targets while budding up to novice and zak at the same time.

I have to agree with Rowain's analysis of Twinkletoes89 here. Unlike Ichabod and Brick, I did not find his defense of this post convincing. and Tbph, he's a safe vote, IF we are wrong, at least we don't have to worry about him vig-shotting the most obvious villager in the late game.

Also, for first time ever, I'm getting village vibes from Rowain. Not really sure what that means yet In any case willing to follow him for the moment.

As for Brick, I'm torn. I actually liked his first response to Ichabod and my vote. I don't necessarily mistrust people who try gambits to illicit responses from scum. There are only a handful of us that do this, and I think its a more village-friendly (and effective) strategy than the "sit and wait/hope scum makes a mistake" that most players take. Its also more dangerous, as it puts you in the spotlight, and therefore less likely to be attempted by scum. I don't really want to punish this behavior.

That said, I like his more recent responses less. However, I do feel that if Brick is scum, he will put his foot in mouth enough that he'll hang eventually.

not sure of his guilt status yet, but Tasunke is clearly the most likely to accidently drop a major spoiler.

Could you please explain?

Seriously? I wrote that just a few hours after the game started, are you surprised I wasn't 100% confident of Tasunke's guilt or innocence? I'm still not, are you? Tasunke is just as nutty as he's always been, and I don't have a clue how he'd play scum, since he's always rolled town.

[Ichabod]

I didn't buy TT's defense.

[Twinkletoes89]

I have to agree with Rowain's analysis of Twinkletoes89 here. Unlike Ichabod and Brick, I did not find his defense of this post convincing. and Tbph, he's a safe vote, IF we are wrong, at least we don't have to worry about him vig-shotting the most obvious villager in the late game.

Its these kind of declarations that do piss me off.

I think we can safely say that everyone who's played a few WW games has made some bad judgement calls, but to just carry them over as justification for killing someone and it being good either way is total bull.

I don't like people who just go "oh well, in a way its still good if he's innocent and dies, because then he won't cock up like last time", its so scummy and stupid that it undermines the rest of your case against me imo.

I make mistakes, but I have won one game and very nearly won another despite them and have contributed to the village so if you are going to bring up my previous play, bring up both sides of it.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, villagers who play bad games can still help the village win. Cull played a pretty nothing game in my first WW game and in later games would have probably been 'policy lynched' days before. But he came out of the woodwork when the chips were down and made a pretty critical effort to the village winning.

So don't cheapen your argument with crap like that Bigger, because it just looks scummy.

[uberfish]

FORUM CLOCK ISSUES

It's been brought to my attention that the defective forum clock is wreaking havoc with proper threading. This makes it impossible to have accurate vote counts.

Therefore, we're going to move this game to a quicktopic until such time as the forum clock is fixed. You can find it by following this link.

http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/7PVPyqxTYfq

I'm not going to attempt to sort out what the correct vote count is here. Everyone will have to re-vote in the quicktopic. Use the HTML bold tag for votes as this is easiest.

[BRickAstley]

So in this game so far, I've been trying to look at players that don't seem right, and concentrating on people that have had off responses. Well, over the last ~10 hours I've been getting a bad feeling about one person in particular who seems very suspicious due to a lack of proper responses: novice.

I played on the werewolf team with novice in 15, and watched while running the last game with him playing villager, so I have a pretty good feeling for how he acts in either instance lately. However I wanted to make sure, so I went back and reviewed all of his Day 1 posts in the last two games, to measure them up against his content contributions here so far and see if I could draw any correlations.

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WEREWOLF 16 - VILLAGER

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290473 - the scum-hunting radar is looking around from the start, picking up catwalk's odd post.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290514 - makes a good observation about the importance and proper role of mayor.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290649 Catches thestick in his failed attempt to provide participation without bringing forth proper material of his own.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290689 & http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290692 - Carries dialouge with tasunke about his bizarre vote choice.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290699 - Makes a point to acknowledge tasunke's frustrating tendencies as well of the fact that he isn't necessarially guilty due to them, and puts his vote on the eventual wolf thestick.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290713 - participates in the debate whether to reveal powers or not

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290629 - when questioned about his vote on the stick, he brings forth evedence from past games to support his point.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290776 - and then give proper reasoning for bringing evidence from a previous game.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290975 - more discussion on why thestick

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid290998 - responds to Serdoa about his meta-proposal, and gives justification for why he thought it wouldn't be helpful.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid291139 - thestick is behind in the voting 6-4, but he has a hunch about thestick he's not willing to let go.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid291225 - reminds me of a mad dog: has his teeth in a victim and without good reasoning will not let go.

SUMMARY:
- Has an eager nose for scum tells, and starts developing a case very early on.
- latches on to different people, but either lets them go due to not having enough concrete evidence (tasunke), or keeps on them due to a wolf-tell with lack of explanation (thestick)
- weighs in on meta-debates with responses that read pro-village
- when questioned about his thestick vote, brings in material from a previous game and backs his vote up with good reasoning
- has a large amount of posts (more than I have listed), with a large amount of helpful information.

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WEREWOLF 15 - WOLF

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279375 - responses to joke posts

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279526 - lazy defense to starting posts

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279528 - asks for vote explanation from scum-buddy zak

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279557 - responding to random meta statements

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279644 - post similar to thestick's in 16: multi-quote a lot of posts and ask a short question of them.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279906 - talks wolf philosophy.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279916 - asks questions about tasunke's roleclaim

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279936 - role mechanics explanation

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid279997 - votes for thestick as a tasunke alternative.

SUMMARY:
- spends more time at the start in the joke-post stage.
- mass multi-quote post similar to the one he indicted thestick on the following game
- much larger amount of meta and mechanics posts to relevant scum-finding attempts.
- less total posts, less content.

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Since I was with novice as a wolf in 15, and the wolf threads are public, let's take a look at his interactions in the wolf thread as well.

WEREWOLF 15 - WEREWOLF THREAD http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/jgFn2W4Pp9g/p515.1.1

#14 "Better to be blatantly but convincingly wrong about someone's guilt when we need to swing votes."

#21 "At any rate, read the opening posts of the game thread before deciding on a nameclaim. "

#40, #41, #42 - All general advice and evidence of activity not shown in thread

#73, #75, #76 - More advice to fellow wolves.

#115 "I'd really like to see (tasunke) hang now actually, since he'll probably get a pass for quite some time if he doesn't hang now, once he's had time to regain his footing. "

#All: lots more knowledge and opinions on what's happening throughout the day that is not posted int he main thread.

SUMMARY:
- Offers up lots and lots of advice to fellow wolves, showing a keen knowledge of game events, even when it isn't showing in thread.
- Wants to see a day 1 suspect hanging if it's possible, since survival will grant clearance.

Not too much else to glean here that's useable unfortunately, but I believe that it does show that novice tends to be in the know and caught up, even if it doesn't show in thread.

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So that brings us to this game.

WEREWOLF 16 - ????

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid309236 - eye on thestick for suspicious wording, votes me for newbiness

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid309329 - predicts Lewwyn as Loki's smurf.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid309330 - calls ichabod for explanation of TT vote

QT#12 - agrees with TT's defense post.

#14 - questions bigger's attack on TT.

#20 - asks bigger for better answer.

SUMMARY:
- Votes based on a possible attempt to get by with a newb-like approach
- interesting comment about lewwyn before the reveal
- asks people a lot about why voting on TT, and sides with TT's defence
- very very low post amount, almost no content.

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So overall, what do we have on novice?

1) In last game as village, novice was scary in his zeal for finding and taking out a wolf based on an early scumtell. Also provided a lot of helpful analysis of other situations that were developing.
2) In last game as wolf, novice provided enough content to appear active, but made votes without a large amount of justification. Also stayed away from a lot of additional analyzation of other situations.
3) In the WW thread, he advocated finding a decent mislynch and looking compelling in doing so.
4) In this game, he made a vote on me for a contraversial first post, made an interesting prophecy about Lewki, and defends TT from harm.

Therefore, novice's play seems very much on the wolf side of his playstyle, and has very little going for him being a villager. Novice.

[uberfish]

THE SOILED KNIGHT

Arys Oakheart was not a happy man.

Ever since the announcement that there were traitors in the capital, the Kingsguard had been charged with rooting them out. For Arys personally, that meant nightly forays into the stinking back alleys of the city on the vague mission of looking out for anyone suspicious. Worse, he had been stuck with Boros Blount as his partner.

Ahead of him Boros let out a loud belch. The lackwit's idea of investigation was to order ale in every seedy little tavern they passed and ask the bartenders whether they'd overheard anything suspicious. He must have been on his sixth or so tankard of ale by now. Blount staggered towards the entrance to one of the Flea Bottom whorehouses. Arys grabbed him by the arm.

"Where do you think you're going?" he demanded.

"The whores might know something," the other knight slurred. "Maybe they'll have loose tongues in bed."

"You're a sworn brother of the Kingsguard, ser," Arys reminded him sharply. "You swore an oath to protect the king. Not go around sleeping with halfpenny whores on duty. Or have you forgotten?"

"Bugger the rules and bugger this investigation," Boros retorted. "Trawling around Flea Bottom looking for royal assassins is a complete waste of time anyway and you know that as well as I do."

Arys heard something behind and above him and jumped aside. Too late. Someone had emptied a chamberpot from a first floor window and a new splash of filth adorned his formerly pristine white cloak. Blount twisted his arm out of his grasp and made a dash for the whorehouse. He swore as he tripped over something and landed face first in the gutter on top of something squishy.

"Seven save us," Boros squealed. "That's a corpse."

The two knights flipped the body over. "Isn't that the boy who sells pies?" said Arys, disgusted. Someone had run him through with a sword by the looks of it. "What on earth could he have done to offend anyone? The pies weren't that bad."

"Clearly he must have been killed because he was a traitor," Boros stated. Arys resisted the urge to strangle his sworn brother. "It would be too dangerous to stay out here. He might have accomplices. We should lay low in the brothel until morning and then take the body back to the castle as evidence."

"You will do no such thing. Ser." Arys drew his sword and pointed at a stack of crates near where his worthless brother in arms had fallen. A motionless leg was sticking out from behind it. "You're going to make yourself useful and move those crates. Or I'll chop your worthless head off and bring THAT back to the castle as evidence that you're not just a spineless worm but actively hindering the course of justice."

"You wouldn't dare," spluttered Blount, but did as he was bidden. Arys brought his lantern closer. "Seven hells. A high lord of the realm killed and dumped in the cesspit of the city." Mace Tyrell had been an overweight and pompous man given to making tedious speeches, but his loyalty to the Crown hadn't been questioned. Now this, the King would want to know about. Commandeering a barrow, they loaded Mace's corpse on it and trudged back to the Red Keep, where further bad news awaited them.

Near one of the passages behind the Great Hall a shelf stood out of place. Arys pulled it aside revealing one of the old secret passages. It led to a hall lined with ancient dragon skulls. The largest had been pushed from its perch. Sprawled underneath, her skull crushed beneath the weight of the massive jawbone, was a young girl he recognized immediately. But what was she doing there in the first place? And who would have dared murder the daughter of the King's Hand?

Two things were certain. King Robert was going to be furious. And Blount was going to be of absolutely no use. He wasn't sure if he could stand the company of the man for another day without killing him. Maybe he should find some way to get out of King's Landing. He'd heard Dorne was nice this time of year.


Commodore, Hot Pie, Lurker was killed night 1
BrickAstley, Mace Tyrell, Loyalist was killed night 1
Ichabod, Arya Stark, Loyalist Tracker/Watcher was killed night 1

[uberfish]

Thread re-opened following the clock crisis