WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[uberfish]

Vote count

Coco (3) - Novice PIndicator Zakalwe
Azza (2) - Qgqqq Thestick
Pindicator (2) - Azza Rowain
Tasunke (2) - Mardoc Mattimeo
Rowain (1) - Lewwyn
Twinkletoes (1) - Tasunke

Not voting - Coco Jkaen Sareln Serdoa TT

[Rowain]

back home

[Rowain]

@uber In the QT you said that you might be late for the DL on Friday. So which time will mark the border between valid and too late?

[zakalwe]

Good to be back.

To repeat what I just posted about Lewwyn in the quicktopic:

(To briefly summarize his posts in this thread, he started out by pushing Thestick and then clearing him based on his glib response, then followed Ichabod on TT, and then reverted to a neutral stance on TT.)

/m47 "Brick's long WoT is really suspicious to me. You seem to be trying to explain away things."
I don't buy this suspicion. It just sounds insincere to me.

/m49 "I know. I was thinking the same thing. I kept thinking Brick and Bigger have to be scumbuddies... but Mardoc's fear keeps rearing its head."
As it turns out, they were both town. Gently nudging a couple of townies towards the gallows?

/m60 "Pindi what specifically makes you suspect zak?"
A bit of a double-edged question that he never followed up on. This might be scum stirring the pot.

/m117 "I dunno Ichabod I actually think that TT saying Bigger wouldn't be a bad mislynch is pretty in character with TT I don't think its a wolf tell in the slightest."
Eager to defend TT here, without getting the facts straight. Could be scum with a cheat sheet. Also, in the very next post I asked him directly for opinions on Pindicator, but he gave none. Why so eager to clear some people, while completely ignoring others?

/m309 "Good news is I think we can clear TT. He switched to Pindi to save himself only everyone was already jumping. I think if he were in a wolfpack he would know who the other wolves would be landing on ahead of time. If that's true then Bigger and TT are both innocent. Brick and pindi were the last two on the block. Could be that either of them is scum. [In the next post] Or neither..."
Again he is quick to clear TT. This looks more townish, but since he already started defending TT he could also just be following up on that.

/m382 "Did anybody put any pressure on Rowain... at all on Day 1?"
This is weak. At least throw in something scummy that he said or did. Otherwise there's nothing to defend against, and the vote is almost pointless.

In summary, I think Lewwyn could be scum who picked a couple of townies (Thestick, TT) to defend for town cred, and one townie (Brick) for his actual crusade. There's not a lot of nuance in his play; he apparently suspected Brick a lot but nobody else much at all. None of his posts scream scum but you can't expect that from him. He showed last game that he understands quite well what it takes to come across as town... how to convincingly be wrong, for example.

I became more convinced that this is worth pursuing as I was typing that up, so I'll go ahead and vote for Lewwyn. If Coco stays quiet it won't take much to sway me back to him, though.

[Mattimeo]

thank fuck, back in an actually usable format...

novice: while I had assumed Lazarus == Tasunke from the occurrance, I wasn't completely sure, given the ease with which one can change the name associated with their post on quicktopic, and the obvious framing uses this lends itself to. It was the fact that, after several people had pointed out that Lazarus was probably Tasunke, no objection to this being the case was forthcoming from Tasunke that completely convinced me that it was actually Tasunke, and not someone imitating him in a convincing manner.

With regard to the split personality being any indication of scum: it's not the mere fact that he was having fun with multiple logins that I find disturbing (and I agree, that in itself seems relatively in-character for Tasunke). It's the way in which he did it (over-the-top antagonism) and then completely dropped the subject as soon as he was called on it that (to me) indicates malicious intent behind the actions, rather than "oh hey, quitopic lets you pretend to be people, let's have some fun."

[Mattimeo]

oh, and so I have a vote recorded here rather than it being carried over from quicktopic: Tasunke

[novice]

I think Zak makes a good case on Lewwyn and it resonates with what I had been thinking. I'll keep my vote on Coco for now, though.

[novice]

With regard to the split personality being any indication of scum: it's not the mere fact that he was having fun with multiple logins that I find disturbing (and I agree, that in itself seems relatively in-character for Tasunke). It's the way in which he did it (over-the-top antagonism) and then completely dropped the subject as soon as he was called on it that (to me) indicates malicious intent behind the actions, rather than "oh hey, quitopic lets you pretend to be people, let's have some fun."

mmmyeah... Thanks for elaborating, but this feels a bit weak. His joking was over the top and he dropped it too fast? I'm not seeing it.

[uberfish]

@uber In the QT you said that you might be late for the DL on Friday. So which time will mark the border between valid and too late?

2200 GMT real (not forum) time. I'll see if I can phone-post the deadline. If I can't, then I'll make a test post to figure out the time difference and discard anything that works out as having been posted before 2200. Since forum time stamps show only 1 minute resolution, that'll introduce a potential 1 minute inaccuracy. Players are therefore advised to get their final votes in AT LEAST a minute early, as I'm not going to allow any disputes this time round.

If forum clock screws up at the deadline day will be extended.

[Twinkletoes89]

I think zak makes a compelling case on Lewwyn too.

His quotes do seem to suggest a lot of pot stirring and pushing people just enough to try and get some momentum without fully sticking his neck out.

Right now I'm prepared to vote for him and see what happens so Lewwyn

Also, I think we need to take a bit of a step back from last night and not panic too much. I see a few people willing to just take crapshoot shots on quiet players and I am never a fan of those plays and think that they are shots of desperation more than anything else. I don't mind us putting a bit of heat on them to try and force them to engage more, but lets not push much further than that right now.

From my experience, quiet player lynching fails more than in succeeds and given that we might lose two people per night, I don't want to risk our only shot at getting a bad guy on a crapshoot.